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ACTING LIKE DEMOCRATS
Sierra Times ^ | 3/24/2006 | Jeff Adams

Posted on 03/25/2006 3:48:03 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

As of the writing of this article, Republicans in the U.S. Senate are working on an immigration bill to ‘match’ an immigration bill already passed by the House. It appears as if the Senate will back the bill proposed by Senators Ted Kennedy and John McCain.

To call this a loser of a bill is an understatement. For starters, anything Ted Kennedy proposes or supports cannot be good for Americans (remember Teddy was the main sponsor of an immigration reform bill back in 1965 that has helped to cause many of our immigration problems today). The fact that John McCain, a Republican that has proven he’s a straw blown in the wind, concerning his political ideology, is a co-sponsor lends no serious weight to the credibility of the bill.

How is it that the Senate, controlled by ‘conservative’ Republicans, can back a bill that clearly advocates amnesty for illegals? Senator Kennedy claims it isn’t an amnesty bill, but the bill would allow illegals to stay in the country, merely paying a fine for breaking our laws, for avoiding paying taxes, and for depressing our wages. Illegals would then get a temporary status for six years, would need to have a job, pay taxes, learn English and ‘show an understanding of U.S. government.’ These four requirements would make them better qualified to be U.S. citizens than the Senators supporting this bill.

What part of ‘illegal’ don’t Senators understand? Shouldn’t people who break our laws pay for their crimes? Using the U.S. Senate’s logic, if the police were to discover the identity of a murderer two years after the murder took place, we should then tell the murderer, “Well, you did break the law, but since that happened so long ago, just pay a fine and promise us you’ll behave from now on and you can go on your merry way.” Politicians can call their amnesty plans whatever they want to, but if illegals aren’t made to pay for their crimes via jail time, and then deported, then the government is not enforcing our laws. Anything less than punishment and deportation is a form of amnesty; period.

Simply put, Congress needs to build a long, high barrier along our land borders, and inspect every ship and container that comes into our ports. Strict enforcement of our laws should include seriously punishing employers hiring illegals and aggressively working to deport illegals. Anything less is a violation of their oaths of office and a betrayal of American citizens.

Now, I know some folks will whine about how all these illegals ‘contribute to our society.’ That simply isn’t true. According to the National Research Council, an estimated net cost for illegal immigration is between $11 billion to $22 billion a year. Much of this burden falls on local and state governments. There is an incredible burden on our medical and educational resources, which illegals participate in, but pay nothing to support.

It is estimated that 27 percent of the U.S. prison population is made up of illegals. Mind you, this isn’t illegals ‘just coming here to provide for their families,’ but illegals who’ve done something else to break the laws of our land besides just enter our country illegally (usually their crimes are of a violent nature). These criminals are often not deported, but cut loose back on our streets. This is insane, and our politicians want to reward these people for coming here, depressing our wages, financially destroying our medical and education institutions, and terrorizing our citizens. Who elected these politicians; American citizens or terrorists wanting to destabilize our country?

What’s really sad is that the overwhelming majority of citizens want the government to enforce our laws and stop rewarding people who break our laws, but the government is actually looking to encourage more of the same illegal activity. Everyone knows the Democrats will do nothing to protect the people. Unfortunately, there is a large segment of American society that mistakenly believes that the Republicans will. The Republicans have controlled Congress for a number of years now, and what do we have to show for it? Increasing debt, expanded, invasive government, and practically no enforcement of our immigration laws.

The so-called ‘conservative’ party, the Republicans, have turned into Democrats. Both major political parties are struggling to define their ‘message’ and unify their ranks for the 2006 elections. The sum total of their efforts so far is this:

Democrats: “The Republicans got us into a war we can’t win.”

Republicans: “Just think how bad things would be if the Democrats had been in charge.”

How pathetic. The Democrats haven’t changed. They are still the communist party they’ve been since George McGovern ran for president. Their goal is to destroy our constitutional republic, and in its place establish an egalitarian democracy that will put us on the same footing as the now-defunct U.S.S.R. The Republicans on the other hand are acting more and more like Democrats, rather than a principled, conservative political body.

Can the Republicans do no better than to basically advocate spending more money, blow people and things up, and let foreigners overrun our borders? Yes, I believe things would be worse under the Democrats, but there isn’t a whole lot of difference between getting stuck in the eye with a red-hot poker and a white-hot poker. It’s still going to hurt, and you’ll still be blind. If American citizens want their laws enforced, they should go looking for third party candidates who actually care about their oaths of office and putting America first. We need new blood in D.C. in the House, Senate and White House, and not just replacing old establishment insiders with new establishment insiders.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; illegalimmigration; immigration; immigrationreform; mccainagain; republicansellout
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To: cripplecreek

This argues that they only way to pay for the crime of legal entry is prison. Then complains, "It is estimated that 27 percent of the U.S. prison population is made up of illegals." So where are you going to put 11 million prisoners( many women and children)? And what will that cost? Why can't a fine be payment enough?


21 posted on 03/25/2006 4:55:07 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: LowCountryJoe

My republican congressman is one of the George Soros puppets and I WILL vote against him.


22 posted on 03/25/2006 4:56:51 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: cripplecreek
"The democrats ran on one single thing, Beat Bush. You want to run on the single stance of beating the democrats."

No, I do not. I want the end result to be defeating dims. I am not so naive as you, as I understand that if the dims ever get into power, the things that I hold dear (and that you should hold dear) will suffer. I have lived through too many dim cycles NOT to understand this deeply.

"Speaking of acting like democrats."

Yes, certainly this statement reflects on your actions on this board. You have the "anyone that disagrees is my enemy" part down pretty good.

"Sorry, I'm just not a partisan hack, I expect my politicians to do what they're elected to do."

No, you are a idealist that loses elections. I witnessed this type of politics put klintoon into power TWICE.

To borrow from Rush, "How does it feel to be so wrong? I ask because I will never know that feeling myself".

LLS
23 posted on 03/25/2006 5:14:59 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: LowCountryJoe

"libertarian leanings" are fine and dandy... The Libertarian Party is not.

LLS


24 posted on 03/25/2006 5:16:50 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

You aren't changing any minds.


25 posted on 03/25/2006 5:19:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

How does failure to enforce existing law justify or enhance the passage and enforcement of another set of laws?


26 posted on 03/25/2006 5:19:05 AM PST by mo
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To: cripplecreek

"A mind is a terrible thing to waste".

LLS


27 posted on 03/25/2006 5:19:47 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"If American citizens want their laws enforced, they should go looking for third party candidates who actually care about their oaths of office and putting America first. We need new blood in D.C. in the House, Senate and White House, and not just replacing old establishment insiders with new establishment insiders.

Well said.

Throw the bums out!

28 posted on 03/25/2006 5:19:52 AM PST by WhiteGuy ("Every Generation needs a new revolution" - Jefferson)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"What part of ‘illegal’ don’t Senators understand? "

What do you expect from our Senate?!?!?

Don't get me started ...

29 posted on 03/25/2006 5:22:30 AM PST by manwiththehands (Islam is as Islam does. Islam is as Islam allows.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
....the Senate, controlled by ‘conservative’ Republicans

Where did the writer dream up this idea from? Most of the Senators are not far from the center, because they have to win state-wide. Of course, senators from all-lib states like NY, CA, and MA can be kooks, and there are some Western states where a senator can be a conservative. However, you have to be a moderate to win state-wide in most states.

30 posted on 03/25/2006 11:21:09 AM PST by expatpat
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To: CheyennePress

Frists bill will bring in an additional 1 million green card holders per year, plus 400,000 HB-1 visa types.

Total per year, 2.4 million.


31 posted on 03/25/2006 11:29:08 AM PST by bordergal (1)
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To: FerdieMurphy

Senators Fighting Over Who Can Flood U.S. With Most Foreign Workers

The Senate will return March 28 to debate proposals to add tens of millions of permanent foreign workers and their dependents over the next decade. The newest proposal by Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) (S. 2454) was touted as a more limited proposal than the giant amnesties being promoted in the Senate Judiciary Committee. But Sen. Frist's bill would allow 20 million more permanent immigrants to settle over the next 10 years. That compares to 25 million more under the McCain/Kennedy amnesty bill (S. 1033) and 30 million more under the Specter amnesty bill (no bill number). Americans who desire a less congested and more worker-friendly future can press their Senators to support an effort to substitute a bill like the one that overwhelmingly passed the U.S. House in a bi-partisan vote in December. H.R. 4437 would allow 9.5 million permanent immigrants over the decade, compared to 10 million if Congress does nothing. But, at least, H.R. 4437 provides far more tools than any of the above Senate bills to reduce the current illegal alien population.


32 posted on 03/25/2006 12:20:50 PM PST by bordergal (1)
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To: TexasCajun

It's been taken over by a bunch of radical socialists waving their mexican flags and showing their allegiance to mexico, so they can take that flag and get the he** out of my Country and any politician that sides with them should leave with them too!


33 posted on 03/25/2006 1:42:03 PM PST by stopem (Socialists NOT welcome in MY Country ever, Get OUT and take your flag with you!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Wanna bet that Frists bill is replaced before the vote?
34 posted on 03/25/2006 3:10:13 PM PST by mthom
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To: TexasCajun
I remember a year or two ago seeing video of a protest in Mexico or some other latin american country and wondering: "How long before we have them doing that here?"

Not long apparently.
35 posted on 03/25/2006 3:12:09 PM PST by mthom
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To: LibLieSlayer
Freepers should stop personal attacks on each other, and debate... NOT hate!

Well, maybe you should ask Johnnie to not barge into threads with flame-bait posts like this:

But that right, it is not about the facts, it's about the in the closet DNC mouthpieces here on Free Repubic

Although I must admit the typo Free Repubic is funny, but posting guidelines prohibit me from taking the joke further.

But the point is, if you want civility, demand it from your own side as well.

Oh, and lose the "hate" routine. That's a lame-arsed Dem tactic to decry political disagreements as hate.

36 posted on 03/25/2006 3:14:33 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: dirtboy
"But that right, it is not about the facts, it's about the in the closet DNC mouthpieces here on Free Repubic"

""Although I must admit the typo Free Repubic is funny, but posting guidelines prohibit me from taking the joke further.""

Why do you reference a sentence that I did not write.

""But the point is, if you want civility, demand it from your own side as well.""

MY SIDE is GOD, AMERICA, and the Republican Party... in THAT order!

""Oh, and lose the "hate" routine. That's a lame-arsed Dem tactic to decry political disagreements as hate.""

Hate on this board exists bigtime! To deny that fact is to be disingenuous!

LLS
37 posted on 03/25/2006 3:31:51 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Why do you reference a sentence that I did not write.

Because I was showing you that Johnnie tries to start flame wars with his posts.

MY SIDE is GOD, AMERICA, and the Republican Party... in THAT order!

And what does that have to do with the fact that if you want civility, you should ask it of your own side as well?

Hate on this board exists bigtime! To deny that fact is to be disingenuous!

HATE! HATE! YOU ARE FULL OF HATE! YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, SO YOU ARE HATEFUL! /Democrat mode.

38 posted on 03/25/2006 3:41:32 PM PST by dirtboy (I'm fat, I sleep most of the winter and I saw my shadow yesterday. Does that make me a groundhog?)
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To: kjo; SkyPilot

Vote Libertarian. The GOP has lost their way.

7 posted on 03/25/2006 5:10:28 AM MST by kjo

WHY?

the Libertarian Party supports OPEN BORDERS


39 posted on 03/25/2006 3:50:43 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Trust in YHvH forever, for the LORD, YHvH is the Rock eternal. (Isaiah 26:4))
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To: dirtboy
"HATE! HATE! YOU ARE FULL OF HATE! YOU DISAGREE WITH ME, SO YOU ARE HATEFUL! /Democrat mode."

I have plenty of hate for our enemies, leftists, and dims. All of these things are evil.

I just watched Tora, Tora, Tora! Not dissimilar to the attacks on 9/11. After watching the movie, I am deeply sickened at the thought of "my side, your side" on this board.

I don't care if you hate me, or hate those like me that see a greater problem TODAY than political differences amongst Conservatives. Lets win this friggin war, and then we can destroy each other. You know the damn dims aren't going to help us. Hell, we have to defeat them too.

LLS
40 posted on 03/25/2006 4:48:29 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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