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Violence and Homosexuality (For Discussion)
Life and Liberty Ministries ^
| January 27, 2005
| Paul Cameron, Ph. D.
Posted on 03/24/2006 8:00:48 AM PST by Sweetjustusnow
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Based on my experience as a cop...abso-effin'-lutely. Well, are you leaving out two facts in your thinking? No 1: in your entire career you mix with only a small percentage of people in you locale, and No 2: a police office tends to interact only with the portion of the population selected out by violence behavior.
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posted on
03/24/2006 8:43:01 AM PST
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: Sweetjustusnow
The root of the problem is not homosexuality. It is unrestrained desire (i.e. - lust, greed). Heterosexual promiscuity, homosexuality, sado-masochism, sexually motivated murder are aspects of the same underlying pathology. The difference is only one of degree. Remove moral and societal restraints and many will drop even the pretense of self-restraint as well. The temptation is simply too great to resist.
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posted on
03/24/2006 8:43:26 AM PST
by
scory
To: FormerLib; BeHoldAPaleHorse; little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K
This article is dated January 27, 2005 and looks almost identical to Cameron's 1993 article posted (2 years ago) here:
Violence and Homosexuality.
I didn't compare the articles line by line but both look to be nearly identical.
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posted on
03/24/2006 8:46:03 AM PST
by
scripter
("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
To: William Terrell
Well, are you leaving out two facts in your thinking?Nope. I arrested about 200 or so apparently Godly, church-going Christians for violent crimes, and maybe half a dozen known homosexuals for same. (Note: the "known" includes folks who were "in the closet" but had been busted for indecent acts in public restrooms.)
Most (i.e., 90%+) of the homosexual arrests I made were for public indecency and/or illegal narcotics.
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posted on
03/24/2006 8:50:55 AM PST
by
BeHoldAPaleHorse
(Tagline deleted at request of moderator.)
To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Actually, we were discussing Ludwig Tiene, not Dahmer.
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posted on
03/24/2006 9:02:30 AM PST
by
FormerLib
(Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
To: AFA-Michigan; AggieCPA; Agitate; AliVeritas; AllTheRage; An American In Dairyland; Annie03; ...
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posted on
03/24/2006 9:24:51 AM PST
by
DirtyHarryY2K
("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
To: scripter
I didn't compare the articles line by line but both look to be nearly identical. It is, I just looked at both. This is the same article.
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posted on
03/24/2006 9:32:38 AM PST
by
DirtyHarryY2K
("Ye shall know them by their fruits" ;-))
To: houston1
Yeah...something doesn't quite "jive" with this Ludwig Tiene story. I am a big WW2 history buff and I have never heard the name. Wanting to learn more I googled him and found that there aren't a lot of hits and nearly all that do mention him are articles that are making the point that homosexuality is evil. I am not saying he doesn't exist and I am not saying the stories aren't true, but this raises some red flags. I just hope everyone is doing their research and we aren't basing our arguments on dodgy info. That's beneath FR.
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posted on
03/24/2006 9:37:46 AM PST
by
Gator101
To: FormerLib
We should see the usual attacks on Dr. Cameron from those who are frustrated by his findings but are unable to challenge them scientifically. Cameron's methodology was so flawed that most legitimate reserachers simply ignore him.
To: Gator101
I just hope everyone is doing their research and we aren't basing our arguments on dodgy info. That's beneath FR. When it comes to attacking gays, apparently any old "research" will do from what I've seen.
To: teenagebambam
If you can't challenge his results, I guess that's one way of dealing with them.
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posted on
03/24/2006 10:05:58 AM PST
by
FormerLib
(Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
To: teenagebambam
When it comes to attacking gays...You realize there is a difference between stating the facts about a desctructive and sinful lifestyle and "attacking" anyone, don't you?
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posted on
03/24/2006 10:07:45 AM PST
by
FormerLib
(Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
To: Sweetjustusnow
A previous thread on this subject was pulled earlier today because it deteriorated into name-calling.
I will just say, in this thread, that human beings have the capacity to be violent, and a certain percentage of them act on that capacity.
A list of historical murders by homosexuals is of historical interest, but little else. A similar list of similar crimes committed by heterosexuals would be far longer, as anyone who thinks about it knows.
The vast majority of people do not commit ugly, violent crimes. That is true whether you're talking about heterosexuals, homosexuals, Polish farmers, Brazilian nut gatherers, or any other group you would care to name.
In all cases, it is logically incorrect to project violent crimes committed by any individual onto others who happen to be in a similar ethnic, religious, or other grouping that matches that of the violent criminals.
Yes, homosexuals have committed terrible crimes. So have heterosexuals. So have people of any group. Most members of any grouping have NOT done so. Please don't project, folks.
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posted on
03/24/2006 10:20:16 AM PST
by
MineralMan
(godless atheist)
To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Nope. I arrested about 200 or so apparently Godly, church-going Christians for violent crimes, and maybe half a dozen known homosexuals for same. Will we now use anecdotal stories to rebut hard evidence by formal studies? There are a number of research results posted on FR over the years that directly contradict your assertion.
There are a number of things wrong with your assessment. For one thing, we must believe your count with no records. When talking about a 97% heterosexual community and a 3% homosexual part, a slight undercount of the homosexuals you arrested makes a large per capita difference.
Another thing is that you are talking about a local population. What is the percentage of homosexuals in your local community? One more thing is that of the 200 you arrested, you don't know how many were homosexuals in the closet.
One final thing is that your numbers are suspicious. 200 of a heterosexual population of 271,000,000 and 6 of a homosexual population of 8,400,000 works out to almost precisely a 97% and 3% (7.36e-7 and 7.14e-7 respectively) per capita equivalence. If I wanted to assert that the per capita distributions were equivalent, I could easily cook numbers that would work out to that point.
Sorry, I'd have to see some hard numbers, not just those you remember while counter arguing on a discussion thread. Do you have something hard we can our teeth into?
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posted on
03/24/2006 10:38:27 AM PST
by
William Terrell
(Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
To: William Terrell
"Sorry, I'd have to see some hard numbers"
:0)You're trying to get him hot aren't you?
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posted on
03/24/2006 11:19:14 AM PST
by
yer gonna put yer eye out
(ACLU = heterophobic, Ameriphobic, brainophobic (CAUTION: I made up some of these words))
To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
I applaud you for your chosen field, it is a very dangerous one in these times.
That said, I have heard the same thing from many officers. In Baltimore, I know one police officer, and he stated this as the reason homosexuals had been recruited as officers of the law. It is, I guess, hoped they can deal with "their own"? better? His opinion, was they would be "more tolerant and less discriminatory"
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posted on
03/24/2006 11:25:14 AM PST
by
gidget7
(PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
To: William Terrell
I've got anecdotal info. Served on a grand jury for about 3 months (once a week) a few years ago. The two worst crimes (two cases) involved homosexuality, one was a murder, the other a potential rape. Of course, some of the other cases could have involved homosexuals but it wasn't stated or known.
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posted on
03/24/2006 11:31:37 AM PST
by
little jeremiah
(Tolerating evil IS evil.)
To: FormerLib
Master bambam is gonegone.
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posted on
03/24/2006 11:35:20 AM PST
by
little jeremiah
(Tolerating evil IS evil.)
To: little jeremiah
I hope he took his Fruity Pebbles with him!
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posted on
03/24/2006 11:37:23 AM PST
by
FormerLib
(Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
To: FormerLib
I think they were attached.
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posted on
03/24/2006 11:46:37 AM PST
by
little jeremiah
(Tolerating evil IS evil.)
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