The root of this issue (besides the obvious of our *sovereignty*) has nothing to truly with whether you believe these folks are here legally or illegally.
In reality, the folks on the other side tend to have people that know the history of America. They also will remind you that Caucasian and Europeans have been Invaders for centuries. What do you truly know about their history and struggles? The reason I ask this is because you should know your *enemy* better than you know yourself.
The whole concept and idea behind Atzlan is the return back to the great power that once was Azteca. Some of these same people see taking back America from Caucasians is truly the only goal and ambition of their life.
Yes, we belong to this country because we were either born here or granted citizenship in other ways. However, how do you explain how this country was founded? It was founded through bloodshed and taking the land from Natives. If you look at many of the folks fighting for illegal aliens, they will use racism against those that stand up to fight for our sovereignty.
For many folks on this board, this will seem ridiculous. However, you underestimate the mind of those that believe they've been wronged for centuries. It is passed down from one generation to another. That's what we are fighting.
The question then becomes: What are you going to do about it? Building a wall would be great, but you must overcome their determination to get around it. They've been doing it for decades with little to no interference from any government.
Just a thought to ponder...or not!
Yes, the Europeans did invade an American continent they saw as essentially empty, except for a few Native Americans.
But this was not unique to Anglos coming from the east. This was also true for the Spanish coming from the south. It's a fairy tale that the Indians of the Southwest greeted the Spanish conquistadors as long-lost bronze-skinned brothers. The first contact Coronado had with the Indians in New Mexico was when he burned hundreds of them alive after some horses were stolen. The Spanish conquered the Southwest by the lash and the lance.
After Mexican independence, the Southwest was too far away for Mexico City to control or even worry about. The Southwest was only nominally "Mexican" for about 20 years. Mexico couldn't send troops or defend New Mexicans (which included present Arizona) from Apache and Comanche raids, for example. Haciendas were burned, Spanish (never "Mexicans!") were massacred. The New Mexicans had no love for distant and powerless Mexico City, which could neither trade with them, nor protect them.
Meanwhile, America drew closer. Wagon trains bringing trade goods set off a booming economy between St. Louis and Santa Fe. America brought security and a higher standard of living to New Mexico (including Arizona then) as well as California and Texas, after 2 decades of feckless Mexican non-authority and neglect.
So yes, we do understand the history involve.
Please spare me the "Aztlan" fairy tales.
Good thoughts to ponder. The scary part is that we may have to go through another cycle of bloodshed - and I don't make that prediction lightly.
A lot of folks may be willing to cede California to Mexico; I don't see very many Americans making the same concession regarding Nevada, Arizona, Texas, New Mexico or Colorado.
What a bunch of drivel.
Caucasian is an obsolete term and one that is used by those who have a distaste for white people.
The last time I looked, Americans come in all colors, including the ones who are fighting on the front lines of freedom.
If you believe it's a race issue, then march with La Raza. By the way, most Mexicans and Central Americans don't buy into the idea of Aztlan, and they don't feel "wronged." They do, however, believe in "dinero."
The people who originally came to this continent did not invade. They lived peacefully and happily with the indigenous people. It is SO pointless to compare what happened then with what is occurring now.
The Aztecs were so great that not one of them survives to this day.
NEXT.
You are wrong and misguided because the Mexican Indians have no claim to the United States. Their beef is with the Spanish oligarchy that rules Mexico. The white settlers here fought, routed American Indians. Put them on reservations. We did not fight Mexican Indians unless you want to count some Comanche and Apache (not Mayans and Aztecs!) we defeated in our South West
Which I actually don't have much problem with. Because Indians in Canada and United States were 6 million or so in this vast space. If Brits and Europeans hadn't conquered the Chinese would have a few hundred years later. Europeans needed more space to live and it would have been the Chinese if the Europeans hadn't made that great leap across oceans
Interesting point, particularly since it rests on a nativist card-house of the other side's own making.
Mexican intellectuals, many of whom were still mestizo in the 1920's and 1930's*, were infected with nativism, i.e., anti-Caucasian racism, by Peruvian radicals expelled by the caudillo Leguia in the 1930's. In Peru, these radicals had fused a form of Mexican-style Leftism (anti-clerical, anti-Creole, anticapitalist) with memories of their own race hero, the revolutionary Spaniard-killer and presumptive heir to the Inca throne, Tupac Amaru', to create a new political party known by its Spanish acronym, APRA. The ideology and program of this party was unique, and is called Aprismo, and it calls for the dispossession of European-descended Peruvians, the disempowerment of the Church, the empowerment of native-descended Peruvians (indios) at the expense of the criollos or Creoles, and the imposition of a command economy on a social and legal foundation drawn by, and favoring the interests of, the nativists and non-Caucasians generally.
The root prejudice in all this is that "we were here first" -- i.e. the non-Europeans.
Which isn't true.
The oldest human remains found so far in North America, both anthropological and cultural, bear marks of affinity to contemporary (14,000 years BP) Eurasian peoples and cultures, rather than East Asian peoples, as all modern Native American populations do.
What happened to the paleo-Eurasians living in the Americas?
Apparently, they were exterminated by the people who came later.
Oh, my.
Stay tuned. Story still developing, film at ten.
*Want to seriously annoy these people? Then ask them why, over the years, the leadership of an overwhelmingly brown revolution in 1919 became, by the 1980's and 1990's, so very pale-looking, so very Creolized? Why did recent presidents of Mexico, like Pres. de la Madrid and Pres. Salinas Gortari, look like Europeans not mestizo Mexicans? It's bound to torque the MeChistas off, but it's true.
Power attracts, that's why.