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Musharraf to Militants: Leave or Die
Yahoo! News ^ | March 23, 2006 | AP

Posted on 03/23/2006 7:40:20 AM PST by BullDog108

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To: Valin

The problem is that Pakistan is not so much a country as a gross error of judgement.


21 posted on 03/23/2006 9:22:35 AM PST by thoughtomator (Symmetry Inspector #7)
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To: Valin

AWEsome!

Maybe this will bring us closer to flushing out that rat Binny Liar!


22 posted on 03/23/2006 9:22:39 AM PST by beachn4fun (Those who are opposed to democracy, are opposed to FReedom)
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To: Valin
Want more?

That is a very impressive start. But yes, I want more. I want them to keep their frickin' hands out of Kashmir!


23 posted on 03/23/2006 9:25:28 AM PST by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God. Liberals think they are God." ---Ann Coulter)
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To: Redleg1963

"Ever hear of Kasmir?"

Yes. Now who is it that you are implying the the US is backing? Links please.


24 posted on 03/23/2006 9:31:58 AM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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To: BullDog108; Valin

And mean while.......

CHAMAN, Pakistan (AFP) - Pakistan strongly protested the killing by Afghan troops of 16 men who Islamabad says were its nationals, further inflaming tensions between the allies in the US "war on terror".

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Afghanistan said the victims were Taliban militants who crossed the frontier from Pakistan, but Islamabad maintains they were Pakistani tribesmen who were on their way to celebrate the Afghan New Year.

Tuesday's incident, for which both sides offered conflicting accounts, came amid an ongoing dispute between the two countries over security along their rugged border.

"The Afghan ambassador was summoned to the Foreign Office here today and we have lodged a strong protest with him," Pakistani foreign ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam told AFP, adding that it had demanded an investigation and the punishment of those responsible.

Aslam said the victims were civilian Pakistanis who were arrested in Kabul at an unknown time and then handcuffed, tied up and brought to the Afghan border town of Spin Boldak in Kandahar province before being killed nearby.

The Afghan soldiers killed the Pakistani civilians in a "fake encounter", Interior Minister Aftab Sherpao was earlier quoted by private ARYONE television as saying.

"They were the residents of Chaman and had gone to Afghanistan for Naurouz (Afghan New Year) celebrations," Sherpao said.

Thousands of angry tribesmen watched over by paramilitary soldiers gathered in Chaman, which is just over the border from Spin Boldak, for the funerals of eight of the dead. Three others were buried in the southwestern city Quetta.

In Kabul, Afghanistan's foreign ministry said authorities had launched an investigation and that it was "premature" to discuss the issue until the probe was completed.

"The Pakistan ambassador in Kabul came to the foreign ministry and asserted that some of the citizens of their country who were killed in Spin Boldak were not Taliban but were civilians," ministry spokesman Naveed Ahmad Noez said.

Kandahar governor Assadullah Khalid said the victims were "all Afghan criminals who were living in Pakistan".

Afghan border commander Abdul Razaq said on Wednesday that the victims -- who he said numbered 17 -- were suspected Taliban militants who crossed over from Pakistan and that they included two of the militia's commanders.

But a government official in Pakistan's Chaman, Saqib Aziz, accused Razaq of ordering the men's killings "because he had a personal enmity with them".

The protest highlights the security problems facing both countries on the rugged frontier, where Osama bin Laden and other Al-Qaeda and Taliban militants are said to hide.

Kabul says Taliban rebels based in Pakistan's restive border areas carry out suicide bombings and other attacks in its territory, but Islamabad says it has around 80,000 troops along the frontier to stop any infiltration.

Ties between the two countries hit a low point earlier this month when Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf accused his Afghan counterpart Hamid Karzai of being oblivious to events in his own country.

Pakistan lodged a protest with the United States in January after around 18 civilians from another tribal area were killed in a CIA missile raid targeting Al-Qaeda number two Ayman al-Zawahiri.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060323/wl_sthasia_afp/pakistanafghanistanattackstaliban;_ylt=AnBBWygfFbDtO0LQNvSjP_gBxg8F;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--


25 posted on 03/23/2006 9:34:17 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
Mush is definately playing a dangerous game by talking out of both sides of his face, but he has no choice. He is between a rock and a hard place. I wish him the best of luck....


26 posted on 03/23/2006 9:42:03 AM PST by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God. Liberals think they are God." ---Ann Coulter)
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To: BullDog108

World to Musharraf - "Talk less and act more"


27 posted on 03/23/2006 9:43:38 AM PST by Saberwielder
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To: Saberwielder
Hear hear!

But as Valin has pointed out in post 19, he has done a little damage.


28 posted on 03/23/2006 9:51:16 AM PST by BullDog108 ("Conservatives believe in God. Liberals think they are God." ---Ann Coulter)
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To: walford

President Gen. Pervez Musharraf Thursday ordered all foreign militants to leave Pakistan or be killed.

The US wasn't listed, nor did I imply that.


29 posted on 03/23/2006 10:00:50 AM PST by Redleg1963
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To: Redleg1963

This statement specifically includes American Special forces all of whom are foreign. It would appear he is casting out the goats and the sheep as well.


30 posted on 03/23/2006 10:04:49 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: beachn4fun

He's dead Jim, he's dead!!


31 posted on 03/23/2006 10:28:55 AM PST by Napoleon Solo
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To: bert
This statement specifically includes American Special forces all of whom are foreign.

That's not the way I read it.

32 posted on 03/23/2006 11:17:30 AM PST by elli1
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To: BullDog108

He's been listening to Bush speeches,
and he's learned.
Cut through the chase ........


33 posted on 03/23/2006 11:43:31 AM PST by IrishMike (Dry Powder is a plus)
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To: Redleg1963
"President Gen. Pervez Musharraf Thursday ordered all foreign militants to leave Pakistan or be killed." The US wasn't listed, nor did I imply that.

So when you appended Musharraf's statement..."All foreign militants should leave Pakistan, otherwise they would be crushed"
...with ...except the ones we like, you meant the ones that the Pakistani gov't likes. I see.

Implicit then is that Musharraf is sincere about fighting Islamic terrorists filtering into Afghanistan, but is not as apt to deal with the ones who have been operating in the Kashmir. That certainly is a fair point, but the latter issue has been brewing long before Pakistan was even an independent country. In the case of the Kashmir or Afghanistan, stopping Islamic militants is not so easy in that part of the world for a native-born head of state. The numerous assassination attempts have already been mentioned. As I'm sure you know, there is a great deal of sympathy for these militants amongst the Pakistani public as well.

Don't get me wrong; I have no sympathy for the Paki gov't. But as a foreign policy realist, I recognize that there are significant factors that militate against anyone -- native or foreign -- in that neighborhood eliminating home-grown terrorism entirely.
34 posted on 03/23/2006 12:23:25 PM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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To: walford

stopping Islamic militants is not so easy in that part of the world for a native-born head of state

If it was easy, we'd ask the UN.

My point is, terrorist or extremists, who's actions further goals that are common to your own, seem to get a break, if not assistance.


35 posted on 03/23/2006 7:59:18 PM PST by Redleg1963
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To: Redleg1963
^^^That's certainly a fair point. Using militants as proxies to further a government domestic or international agenda provides the regime with plausible deniability -- and permits the use of dirty tactics. As I quoted a former Indian general in a piece I wrote on terrorism:
...in the long-festering conflict in Kashmir, alleges retired Indian Brigadier and Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses Senior Fellow Gurmeet Kanwal, Pakistan was in the late 1990s “endeavouring to spread the cult of militancy and terrorism” in the region in order to “create an ethnic and sectarian divide and trigger a communal backlash.” Brigadier Kanwal explained that such support illustrated Pakistan’s “increasing frustration and desperation.” As is typical in these proxy wars, seemingly random civilian-targeted violence and military flare-ups were coincident with “political and diplomatic offensives” that were directed to sow political discord, tie up military resources and drain the economy...

36 posted on 03/24/2006 5:55:00 AM PST by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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