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GOP Would Have Booted Jesus: Hill
New York Post Online ^ | March 23, 2006 | MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 03/23/2006 1:48:05 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta

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To: maggief

Please save that quote and any source, for the 08 election. You can be certain that it will dissapear from the news archives.


21 posted on 03/23/2006 2:34:02 AM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Izzy Dunne

Ya, he would have aborted every unwanted child...


22 posted on 03/23/2006 2:42:06 AM PST by DB (©)
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To: Raycpa
Exd 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

THATS NICE YOU CHANGED ALL THE WORDS STRANGE TO ALIEN

They don't have the same meaning concerning the law

Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

alien occurs 5 times in 5 verses:

Exd 18:3 And her two sons; of which the name of the one [was] Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land:

Deu 14:21 Ye shall not eat [of] any thing that dieth of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that [is] in thy gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien: for thou [art] an holy people unto the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Job 19:15 They that dwell in mine house, and my maids, count me for a stranger: I am an alien in their sight.

Psa 69:8 I am become a stranger unto my brethren, and an alien unto my mother's children.

Isa 61:5 And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien [shall be] your plowmen and your vinedressers.

23 posted on 03/23/2006 2:43:04 AM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK ("Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds." -- Albert Einstein)
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To: Old Sarge

24 posted on 03/23/2006 2:46:38 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot
Hmmm... looks like an overhand smack and a left-hand knife strike. THWAPPP!!!
25 posted on 03/23/2006 2:48:58 AM PST by Old Sarge (My vigor to fight has been renewed.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
Transliteration:
ger {gare}
Word Origin:
or (fully) geyr (gare) from 1481
TDNT:
330a
Part of Speech:
noun masculine
Usage in the KJV:
stranger 87, alien 1, sojourner 1, stranger 0376 1, stranger 04480 1, strangers 0582 1

Total: 92
Definition:
  1. sojourner
    1. a temporary inhabitant, a newcomer lacking inherited rights
    2. of foreigners in Israel, though conceded rights

26 posted on 03/23/2006 2:54:32 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Nave's Topical Bible

Strangers

* (Aliens, foreigners)

* Mosaic law relating to
o Authorized bondservice of
Leviticus 25:44,45
o Usury of
Deuteronomy 15:3; 23:20
o Sale to, of the meat of animals that had died
Deuteronomy 14:21
o Forbid their being made kings over Israel
Deuteronomy 17:15
o Their eating the Passover meal
Exodus 12:43,48
o Their eating things offered in sacrifice
Exodus 29:33; Leviticus 22:10,12,25
o Their blaspheming
Leviticus 24:16
o Their approaching the tabernacle
Numbers 1:51
o Their eating blood
Leviticus 17:10
o Injustice to
Exodus 12:49; Leviticus 24:22; Numbers 9:11; Deuteronomy 1:16; Jeremiah 22:3
o Oppression of
Deuteronomy 24:14,17; 27:19; Jeremiah 22:3

* Instances of oppression of
Ezekiel 22:29; Malachi 3:5

* Required to observe the Sabbath day
Exodus 20:10; 23:12

* Could offer oblations
Leviticus 17:8; 22:18,19

* Were buried in separate burial places
Matthew 27:7

* Kindness to the poor of, required
Leviticus 25:35-38

* Love of, enjoined
Deuteronomy 10:18,19

* Abhorrence of, forbidden
Deuteronomy 23:7

* Marriage with, forbidden
Deuteronomy 25:5

* Hospitality to
o See HOSPITALITY

* See ALMS

* See HEATHEN

* See PROSELYTES (/a)


27 posted on 03/23/2006 2:54:43 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Aliens

* (Strangers, heathen)

* To be treated with justice
Exodus 22:21; 23:9; Leviticus 19:33,34; Deuteronomy 1:16; 10:19; 24:14,17; 27:19; Jeremiah 7:6; 22:3; Ezekiel 22:29; Malachi 3:5

* Religious privileges of
Exodus 12:48,49; Numbers 9:14; 15:14,15

* Kindness to Edomites, enjoined
Deuteronomy 23:7

* Jews authorized to purchase, as slaves
Leviticus 25:44,45

* Jews authorized to take usury from
Deuteronomy 15:3; 23:20

* Jews not permitted to make kings of
Deuteronomy 17:15

* Forbidden to eat the Passover
Exodus 12:45

* Partially exempt from Jewish law
Deuteronomy 14:21

* Numerous in times of David and Solomon
2 Samuel 22:45,46; 2 Chronicles 2:17; 15:9

* Oppressed
Ezekiel 22:29

* Rights of
Numbers 35:15; Joshua 20:9; Ezekiel 47:22,23

* David’s kindness to
2 Samuel 15:19,20

* Hospitality to, required by Jesus
Matthew 25:35,38,43

* See GLEANING

* See HEATHEN

* See HOSPITALITY

* See INHOSPITABLENESS

* See PROSELYTE (/a)

* See STRANGERS


28 posted on 03/23/2006 2:55:29 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Ask Hillary, what would Jesus say about abortion?

"Thou shall not Kill"


29 posted on 03/23/2006 2:55:46 AM PST by petkus
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To: Lion Den Dan

Jesus, being the honorable fellow that he IS, would probably not enter the country illegally. And if He did, it would no longer be illegal.


30 posted on 03/23/2006 2:56:41 AM PST by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Raycpa

In most of these Old Testament contexts, this means people of other races who converted to Judaism. The analogy would be a Mexican who got American citizenship.


31 posted on 03/23/2006 2:58:30 AM PST by The Red Zone
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
NEWS BRIEF: "At A Difficult Time, First Lady Reaches Out, Looks Within", by Bob Woodward, Washington Post Staff Writer, The Washington Post, Sunday, June 23, 1996, p. A1, 20.

"President Clinton and his wife, Hillary, invited a group of popular self-help writers to Camp David to help them dissect what had happened in the first two years of the presidency and to search for a way back after the Democrat's devastating loss to the Republicans in the 1994 congressional elections. They met the weekend beginning Friday, Dec. 30, 1994."

"The first was Jean Houston, co-director of the Foundation for Mind Research, which studies psychic experience and altered and expanded consciousness. Houston, then 55, the author of 14 books, was one of the most high-energy seminar leaders in the country. She was a believer in spirits, mythic and other connections to history and to other worlds. Houston believed that her personal archetypal predecessor was Athena, the Greek goddess of wisdom. She conducted extensive dialogues with Athena.

"Hillary and Houston clicked, especially during a discussion of how to use the office for the betterment of society. Houston said Hillary was carrying the burden of 5,000 years of history when women were subservient. The rising of women to equal partnership with men was the biggest event in history, Houston said she was reversing thousands of years of expectation, and was there upfront, probably more than virtually any woman in human history -- apart from Joan of Arc. Hillary was a stand-in for all women, and as such had a historic opportunity. Though Houston did not articulate the image to Hillary, she felt that the first lady was going through a female crucifixion ."

Hillary received from these conversations with Eleanor Roosevelt.

1. "In adversity, she [Hillary] needed to find the seeds of growth and transformation. It then would become possible to inherit from these mythical or historic figures, and to achieve self-healing. Bateson, who was watching more than participating in the session, considered the activity a kind of meditation, reflection, or even prayer." This last sentence is also strong proof that Hillary was, indeed, involved in a spiritual seance, not just an imaginary conversation.

2. "Hillary's sessions with Houston reflected a serious inner turmoil that she had not resolved.".

3. "Voices were on Hillary's mind. Whether the voices of Eleanor Roosevelt or Gandhi in the sessions with Houston and Bateson, or voices from her immediate family or her own past, the first lady seemed straining to hear them."

32 posted on 03/23/2006 3:00:39 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Raycpa

Stranger And Sojourner (in The Old Testament)
(From International Standard Bible Encyclopedia)

stranj'-er:

I. THE GER

1. Legal provisions

(1) Principles

(2) Rules

2. Relation to Sacrifice and Ritual

3. Historical Circumstances

II. THE TOSHABH

III. THE NOKHRI OR BEN NEKHAR

1. Marriage

2. Exclusion of Some Races from the Assembly

IV. THE ZAR

Four different Hebrew words must be considered separately: (1) ger, the American Standard Revised Version "sojourner" or "stranger"; (2) toshabh, the American Standard Revised Version "sojourner"; (3) nokhri, ben nekhar, the American Standard Revised Version "foreigner"; (4) zar, the American Standard Revised Version "stranger."

I. The Ger.

This word with its kindred verb is applied with slightly varying meanings to anyone who resides in a country or a town of which he is not a full native land-owning citizen; e.g., the word is used of the patriarchs in Palestine, the Israelites in Egypt, the Levites dwelling among the Israelites (Deuteronomy 18:6; Judges 17:7, etc.), the Ephraimite in Gibeah (Judges 19:16). It is also particularly used of free aliens residing among the Israelites, and it is with the position of such that this article deals. This position is absolutely unparalleled in early legal systems (A. H. Post, Grundriss der ethnologischen Jurisprudenz, I, 448, note 3), which are usually far from favorable to strangers.

1. Legal Provisions:

(1) Principles.

The dominant principles of the legislation are most succinctly given in two passages: He "loveth the ger in giving him food and raiment" (Deuteronomy 10:18); "And if a ger sojourn with thee (variant "you") in your land, ye shall not do him wrong. The ger that sojourneth with you shall be unto you as the home-born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were gerim in the land of Egypt" (Leviticus 19:33 f.). This treatment of the stranger is based partly on historic recollection, partly on the duty of the Israelite to his God. Because the ger would be at a natural disadvantage through his alienage, he becomes one of the favorites of a legislation that gives special protection to the weak and helpless.

(2) Rules.

In nationality the freeman followed his father, so that the son of a ger and an Israelitess was himself a ger (Leviticus 24:10-22). Special care was to be taken to do him no judicial wrong (Deuteronomy 1:16; 94:17; Deuteronomy 27:19). In what may roughly be called criminal law it was enacted that the same rules should apply to gerim as to natives (Leviticus 18:26, which is due to the conception that certain abominations defile a land; Leviticus 20:2, where the motive is also religious; Leviticus 24:10-22; see SBL, 84 ff.; Numbers 35:15). A free Israelite who became his slave was subject to redemption by a relative at any time on payment of the fair price (Leviticus 25:47 ff.). This passage and Deuteronomy 28:43 contemplate the possibility of a stranger's becoming wealthy, but by far the greater number of the legal provisions regard him as probably poor. Thus provision is made for him to participate in tithes (Deuteronomy 14:29; Deuteronomy 26:12), gleanings of various sorts and forgotten sheaves (Leviticus 19:10; Leviticus 23:22; Deuteronomy 24:19-21), and poor hired servants were not to be oppressed (Deuteronomy 24:14).

2. Relation to Sacrifice and Ritual:

Nearly all the main holy days apply to the ger. He was to rest on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10; Exodus 23:12, etc.), to rejoice on Weeks and Tabernacles (Deu. 16), to observe the Day of Atonement (Leviticus 16:29), to have no leaven on the Festival of Unleavened Bread (Exodus 12:19). But he could not keep the Passover unless he underwent circumcision (Exodus 12:48). He could not eat blood at any rate during the wilderness period (Leviticus 17:10-12), and for that period, but not thereafter, he was probihited from eating that which died of itself (Leviticus 17:15; Deuteronomy 14:21) under pain of being unclean until the even. He could offer sacrifices (Leviticus 17:8 f.; Leviticus 22:18; Numbers 15:14 f.), and was subject to the same rules as a native for unwitting sins (Numbers 15:22-31), and for purification for uncleanness by reason of contact with a dead body (Numbers 19:10-13).

3. Historical Circumstances:

The historical circumstances were such as to render the position of the resident alien important from the first. A "mixed multitude" went up with the Israelites from Egypt, and after the conquest we find Israelites and the races of Palestine living side by side throughout the country. We repeatedly read of resident aliens in the historical books, e.g. Uriah the Hittite. According to II Chronicles 2:17 f. (Hebrew 16 f.) there was a very large number of such in the days of Solomon, but the figure may be excessive. These seem to have been the remnant of the conquered tribes (I Kings 9:20 f.). Ezekiel in his vision assigned to gerim landed inheritance among the Israelites (Ezekiel 47:22 f.). Hospitality to the ger was of course a religious duty and the host would go to any lengths to protect his guest (Gen. 19; Judges 19:24).

II. The Toshabh.

Of the toshabh we know very little. It is possible that the word is practically synonymous with ger, but perhaps it is used of less permanent sojourning. Thus in Leviticus 22:10 it appears to cover anybody residing with a priest. A toshabh could not eat the Passover or the "holy" things of a priest (Exodus 12:45; Leviticus 22:10). His children could be purchased as perpetual slaves, and the law of the Jubilee did not apply to them as to Israelites (Leviticus 25:45). He is expressly mentioned in the law of homicide (Numbers 35:15), but otherwise we have no information as to his legal position. Probably it was similar to that of the ger.

III. The Nokhri Ben Nekhar.

The nokhri or ben nekhar was a foreigner. The word is far wider than those considered above. It covers everything of alien or foreign character regardless of the place of residence. By circumcision a foreign slave could enter into the covenant with Abraham. Foreigners were of course excluded from the Passover (Exodus 12:43), but could offer sacrifices to Israel's God at the religious capital (Leviticus 22:25). The Israelite could exact interest of them (Deuteronomy 23:20) and the payment of debts in cases where an Israelite debtor was protected by the release of Deuteronomy 15:3. Moses forbade the appointment of a foreigner as a ruler (Deuteronomy 17:15, in a law which according to Massoretic Text relates to a "king," but in the preferable text of Septuagint to a ruler generally). Later the worship of God by foreigners from a distance was contemplated and encouraged (I Kings 8:41-43; Isaiah 2:2 f.; Isaiah 56:3, Isaiah 56:6 f.; etc.), while the case of Naaman shows that a foreigner might worship Him abroad (II Kings 5:17). A resident foreigner was of course a ger. The distinction between these three words is perhaps best seen in Exodus 12:43, Exodus 12:45, Exodus 12:48 f. in the first of these verses we have ben nekhar, used to cover "alien" generally; in the last the ger is contemplated as likely to undergo a complete naturalization; while in Exodus 12:45 the toshabh is regarded as certain to be outside the religious society.

1. Marriage:

In the earlier period marriages with foreigners are common, though disliked (e.g. Genesis 24:3; Genesis 27:46 ff.; Numbers 12:1; Judges 14:3, etc.). The Law provides for some unions of this kind (Deuteronomy 21:10 ff.; compare Numbers 31:18), but later Judaism became more stringent. Moses required the high priest to marry a virgin of his own people (Leviticus 21:14); Ezekiel limited all descendants of Zadok to wives of the house of Israel (Ezekiel 44:22); Ezra and Nehemiah carried on a vigorous polemic against the intermarriage of any Jew with foreign women (Ezra 10; Nehemiah 13:23-31).

2. Exclusion of Some Races from Assembly:

Deuteronomy further takes up a hostile attitude to Ammonites and Moabites, excluding them from the assembly of the Lord even to the tenth generation, while the children of the third generation of Edomites and Egyptians could enter it (Deuteronomy 23:3-8 (Hebrew 4-9)). From I Kings 9:20-21, I Kings 9:24; I Chronicles 22:2 we learn of the existence of foreign quarters in Israel.

IV. The Zar.

The remaining word zar means "stranger" and takes its coloring from the context. It may mean "stranger in blood," e.g. non-Aaronite (Numbers 16:40 (Hebrew 17:5)), or non-Levite (e.g. Numbers 1:51), or a non-member of some other defined family (Deuteronomy 25:5). In opposition to priest it means "lay" (Leviticus 22:10-13), and when the contrast is with holy, it denotes "profane" (Exodus 30:9).

See FOREIGNER; GENTILES; PROSELYTE; CHERETHITES; PELETHITES; marriage; COMMERCE.

Harold M. Wiener

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33 posted on 03/23/2006 3:01:10 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Hillary would have called Him a Jew b*****d and a homophobe and tried to have Him locked up for hate speech.


34 posted on 03/23/2006 3:01:29 AM PST by KarinG1 (Some of us are trying to engage in philosophical discourse. Please don't allow us to interrupt you.)
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To: The Red Zone

See 33 and the parable Jesus used above in post 12 where he explains our duty to our neighbor.


35 posted on 03/23/2006 3:02:41 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa
I'm not sure in just what direction you want to spin this ... but I doubt God was talking about illegal immigrants in this or any country. All of us, including "aliens" and natives are also admonished by scripture to "subject ourselves" to the laws of the land where we live.

Illegal immigrants are lawbreakers. And they should be treated as such.

But hey, I'm a compassionate soul, too. Round 'em up, and instead of prosecuting just put them all on a bus and send them back to their homeland.

And if you want to be pragmatic: Jesus gave Mexico to the Mexicans and He gave the US to us. I don't think Jesus cares one way or another where we live, just as long as we live there legally.

36 posted on 03/23/2006 3:02:51 AM PST by manwiththehands (Islam is as Islam does. Islam is as Islam allows.)
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To: Raycpa

He never said steal neighbor A's cloak and give it to neighbor B.


37 posted on 03/23/2006 3:05:57 AM PST by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone
He never said steal neighbor A's cloak and give it to neighbor B.

Nor did he say drag neighbor back to his own country where he belongs, did he?

38 posted on 03/23/2006 3:07:58 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

How many of these "sojourners" have you accepted into your home?


39 posted on 03/23/2006 3:08:29 AM PST by raybbr
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To: HiJinx; gubamyster

ping


40 posted on 03/23/2006 3:09:06 AM PST by raybbr
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