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GOP Would Have Booted Jesus: Hill
New York Post Online ^ | March 23, 2006 | MAGGIE HABERMAN

Posted on 03/23/2006 1:48:05 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta

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To: clawrence3
Well yes youre right any and all criminals could be forgiven by some act of law.
321 posted on 03/23/2006 2:47:40 PM PST by mthom
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To: clawrence3

"Why stop there? Keep quoting verses 8-10 about how we are supposed to "love our neighbor as ourself" - and if that conflicts with one of man's laws, which do you think we are supposed to obey?"

No problem:
8Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. 9The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet,"[a] and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself."[b] 10Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

So? The remaining scripture is not even asking us to make a choice between God's and government's law. If we reread the beginning of that chapter, it even assumes that they are compatible, as it is in enforcing immigration policy. We love our citizen neighbors, our law enforcement neighbors, and our LEGAL immigrant neighbors by enforcing immigration law and lovingly returning illegal entrants to the back of the line of all the people who wish to enter legally.


322 posted on 03/23/2006 3:23:35 PM PST by E-Mat
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To: E-Mat

If it becomes illegal to feed an illegal alien, which law will YOU obey?


323 posted on 03/23/2006 3:25:38 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: mthom

Thank you - that wasn't so hard now, was it?


324 posted on 03/23/2006 3:26:08 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

..so now she's a theologian--and a bad one...


325 posted on 03/23/2006 3:28:23 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

...and what's more, Hill's gonna treat Jesus just like any other human being.....


326 posted on 03/23/2006 3:31:11 PM PST by Hi Heels (Don't you wish there were a knob on the TV to turn up the intelligence?)
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To: clawrence3
lol You took that as conceding a point? wow Murders could be forgiven with the stroke of a pen just as easy as jay walkers. Morality and ethics is not an unimportant part of such a discussion
327 posted on 03/23/2006 3:32:53 PM PST by mthom
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To: Raycpa

The most important thing you are missing in your typical quoting of these verses is that the customs of the nation/states in the middle east at that time was not and is not comparable to the present time. First off - they didn't have passports then. Borders were relatively fluid, as long as who ever was on the land paid the appropariate tax to what ever government controlled the lands at that time. The proper context of these verses do not allow for people to violate national sovernity, break multiple laws (fake ssn, false id, no drivers license, etc) and sponge off the American welfare system.


328 posted on 03/23/2006 3:34:24 PM PST by Godzilla (Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.)
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To: clawrence3

"If it becomes illegal to feed an illegal alien, which law will YOU obey?"

The question is not relevant to this situation. It would not be illegal to feed the illegal alien. It would be illegal not to report him. You could feed him all you want, but rest assured, the people deporting him will feed him anyway.

But to answer the irrelevant question, I would feed him.
Your line of questioning does not address the establishment of good law.


329 posted on 03/23/2006 3:35:14 PM PST by E-Mat
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To: mthom

I understand it is not an unimportant part - which is worse morally and ethically: the murderer or the illegal alien?


330 posted on 03/23/2006 3:38:04 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Raycpa

An alien, as in non-native or someone from another land (stranger) is not the same as an illegal alien as it's defined today.
To equate the movement of peoples in biblical times to immigration and border issues of modern times is laughable.


331 posted on 03/23/2006 3:39:50 PM PST by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: E-Mat

"Irrelevant" you say? Please read this section from HR 4437:

". . . assists, encourages, directs, or induces a person to reside in or remain in the United States, or to attempt to reside in or remain in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such person is an alien who lacks lawful authority to reside in or remain in the United States;"

Are you going to guarantee that section of the law will NOT be used against private charities?


332 posted on 03/23/2006 3:41:20 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: visualops
Hoe about "loving" the illegal alien as yourself - is that just as laughable in today's highfalutin "modern" times?
333 posted on 03/23/2006 3:43:23 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

Hoe = How


334 posted on 03/23/2006 3:43:59 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
This woman is a joke.

Unfortunately, the media will portray her as St. Hillary. She can do no wrong.

335 posted on 03/23/2006 3:45:36 PM PST by daivid
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Hillay and Jesus are like the Wicked Witch of the West and water.


336 posted on 03/23/2006 3:46:55 PM PST by ShandaLear (Announcing you plans is a good way to hear God laugh. Al Swearengen, 1877—Deadwood)
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To: clawrence3

A moment ago "under the law" was all that mattered. Do you have no problem with Clinton pardoned Marc Rich? Is it not unethical to reward an illegal with legal status while some unfortunate in a non favored country is denied the chance for a better future?


337 posted on 03/23/2006 3:47:28 PM PST by mthom
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To: mthom

I never said that's all that mattered - I said that's all I was talking about in that post - see the difference?


338 posted on 03/23/2006 3:48:53 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

That's not the topic, we are not discussing the commandment to love thy neighbor. I'll also add that to call the present "modern times" is perfectly acceptable historically and is not snobbery or "highfalutin". That is a ridiculous comment.
The question is Hillary's opportunistic use of faith, and the poster I responded to made an incorrect comparison.

Do you think in the name of loving thy neighbor we should do away with borders and immigration laws?

I will happily love my neighbor, but I won't condone someone breaking the law to get here.


339 posted on 03/23/2006 3:50:17 PM PST by visualops (www.visualops.com)
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To: clawrence3; Raycpa; The Red Zone
Thank you all for the thoughtful conversation. I, too, believe in honoring scripture, and I am even more convinced by it and by the arguments made here, that Hillary (and others here) have misapplied scripture with narrow applications of it.

These laws must be obeyed and enforced. I'm a little disappointed and concerned that charitable work is being obliged to comply, but we are being asked to comply with a law that protects and encourages the law abiding and discourages lawbreaking, and we are not being asked to disobey God's law.
340 posted on 03/23/2006 3:51:08 PM PST by E-Mat
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