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To: goldstategop; Giant Conservative
The Jewish view is that while abortion is not a crime its not a moral good either.
CHAPTER XLV

OF DEMONOLOGY AND OTHER RELICS OF THE RELIGION OF THE GENTILES

The Israelites, when they worshipped the calf, did think they worshipped the God that brought them out of Egypt, and yet it was idolatry, because they thought the calf either was that God, or had Him in his belly. And though some man may think it impossible for people to be so stupid as to think the image to be God, or a saint, or to worship it in that notion, yet it is manifest in Scripture to the contrary; where, when the golden calf was made, the people said, "These are thy gods, O Israel";[Exodus, 32] and where the images of Laban are called his gods. [Genesis, 31. 30] And we see daily by experience in all sorts of people that such men as study nothing but their food and ease are content to believe any absurdity, rather than to trouble themselves to examine it, holding their faith as it were by entail unalienable, except by an express and new law...

But what commandments are those that God hath given us? Are all those laws which were given to the Jews by the hand of Moses the commandments of God? If they be, why are not Christians taught to obey them? If they be not, what others are so, besides the law of nature? For our Christ hath not given us new laws, but counsel to observe those we are subject to; that is to say, the laws of nature, and the laws of our several sovereigns: nor did he make any new law to the Jews in his Sermon on the Mount, but only expounded the laws of Moses, to which they were subject before. The laws of God therefore are none but the laws of nature, whereof the principal is that we should not violate our faith...

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54 posted on 03/23/2006 3:15:08 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
 
If they be, why are not Christians taught to obey them?
 
 
 
Galatians 3
 1.  You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.
 2.  I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?
 3.  Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
 4.  Have you suffered so much for nothing--if it really was for nothing?
 5.  Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
 6.  Consider Abraham: "He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
 7.  Understand, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham.
 8.  The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: "All nations will be blessed through you."
 9.  So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
 10.  All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law."
 11.  Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith."
 12.  The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."
 13.  Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."
 14.  He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
 15.  Brothers, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case.
 16.  The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed,"  meaning one person, who is Christ.
 17.  What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.
 18.  For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.
 19.  What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator.
 20.  A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one.
 21.  Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law.
 22.  But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
 23.  Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
 24.  So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ  that we might be justified by faith.
 25.  Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
 26.  You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus,
 27.  for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
 28.  There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 29.  If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

62 posted on 03/23/2006 5:35:04 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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