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To: expatpat
You are forgetting one little important fact. Everyone of the instances you cite, the Europeans lost either politically or militarily (except for Britain, but WWII caused her to lose the empire, so in a sense they also lost). The Western Europeans are suffering from the same disease they had just before they were overrun by the Nazis--strategic malaise (kind of like non-economic Carterism). It is a form of denial that thinks a fanatical enemy can be reasoned with like a normal, rational human being. It is a disease that causes the one afflicted by it to be willing to buy safety and security at the price of making concessions to an insatible opponent who sees your willingness to capitulate for what it is--weakness. (As a consumate predator the fanatical opponent is not appeased by this capitulation but continues "to bite off hunks of meat" from the flanks of an even more weakened prey).
France suffered particularly from strategic malaise before WWII (nothing new), so that even though her forces were at par with the Germans (her navy was even larger and better equipped), she fell within 8 weeks. The EU is about to suffer a major political defeat if her leaders are not willing to stare cold, hard reality square in the face and do what needs to be done to defend their liberties.
23 posted on 03/24/2006 11:55:45 AM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: attiladhun2
Everyone of the instances you cite, the Europeans lost either politically or militarily (except for Britain, but WWII caused her to lose the empire, so in a sense they also lost).

That's true, but we were discussing their ferocity. They lost for two reasons: (a) they were fighting on someone else's land, not their own (people will fight much more fiercely for their homeland than for someone else's), (b) political issues. These reasons are why we lost in Vietnam, of course.

The Euros will be fighting in Europe for their homelands, the Muzzies will not.

25 posted on 03/24/2006 5:23:51 PM PST by expatpat
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