Posted on 03/21/2006 10:27:22 AM PST by Marxbites
So folks, which are we????
I'm about sick of the "aristocratic conservatism" as practices by today's GOP.
Seal the border, end the Great Society, cut spending, inspect shipping containers.......... oh well, no matter how frustrating the results may be, maybe if it's repeated enough something will be done.
Reminds me of this classical thread. Every time I hear or see "Fascist" I now think of this thread:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1574566/posts
Mordern liberalism is driven by fascism for at the very heart of the two the essence is the same.
The fascism of Hitler in some respects has much in common with todays radical left and neither can produce anything but destruction and death (Nazism doing so with direct intentions to achieve their goals, but often as a by-product of liberalism along the way to theirs) for at their common core is the arrogant mind-set of "superiority" and “elitism” that makes them both alike with the exception of what their ambitions look like and how they purpose to carry them out.
There are millions of people who have, and millions more who will suffer or die because of fascism, be it in under socialism, or communism, or pseudo-capitalism, for fascism can dwell within all of these societies.
Fascism is based on elitism and previously appeared most often with emphasis placed on nationalism and physical elements such as genetics and race. The fascism of modern liberalism is different in that it removes the boundaries of nationalism in favor of internationalism. The adversary then becomes not other nations or races who are considered inferior, but those that oppose the idea of an world government run by elitist who establish international law superceding those of the individual nations or states. The strong nationalism which was in past times used to drive fascism is replaced with internationalism. Superiority is no longer determined based upon race or nationality but upon conforming to a very specific liberal ideology so that those holding liberal ideology then become the "master race".
This liberal ideology in actuality is ideofascism and applies a Darwinistic approach to the mind. It is based on the illusion that by purging out "inferior" beliefs in society, and then replacing them with those which they judge to be superior, they will bring the whole world into a new and more perfect age.
For decades there has been great effort put forth by these elitist to hammer public mentality into form by labeling it “main stream” while demonizing everyone that was nonconforming. Hitler's quest for supremacy through the perfection of genetics has been replaced by others, who holding a different vision of the same dream, seek to impose upon all mankind by law what they believe to be an intellectual supremacy.
Egocentric elitism spawned Nazism, but it can no longer thrive in that past form which was made naked and therefore has mutated like a virus mutates to conceal itself in order to survive and spread. Although it has morphed offering a “new” idealistic vision for the world , it still runs parallel with occurrences during the reign of Hitler, albeit in a much softer form.
Liberal fascism is an effeminate fascism which has morphed by forsaking its masculinity to become a seemingly “nonviolent” movement that prefers seduction over brute force and is thus more marketable to the modern world than the fascism of yesterday which was segregated and held limited appeal.
It is a fascism with narcissistic appeal, universally adaptable to all people who will submit and therefore more dangerous than any fascism before it as it will find fewer opponents, and is already accepted by millions world wide. The "Final Solution" will be the attempt to legislate the conscience of man to conform to this neo-fascism. Nonconformist will be deemed intolerant and will not be tolerated.
Unlike the Nazis, Liberazis will not be centralized destroying only certain nations, but having an international presence they have the potential to bring humanity into bondage and destroy the world.
Don't forget that the Founders & Adam Smith, and other champions of liberty, WERE liberals, of the classical variety.
Leftists, like today's Dems, are as illiberal as the day is long. The progressive era basically stole the name to hide their anything but liberal agenda of the oppressive state for their own benefits.
you are right, but modern liberalism bears no resemblance.
Point is, this public/private "partnership" is about as asymmetrical as it gets. Which parter is far more "equal"? Why, the state, of course. In fascism, the state finds allies in business and keeps the alliances alive, but only so long as business serves the state's purpose. Can the business terminate the state in fascism? Heck no! Can the state terminate the business? Oh, yeah! This is no partnership. It is really an interlocking government directorate. This, in essence, is EXACTLY the same as communism.
For years, people have puzzled, needlessly, over the "nuances" between fascism and communism, some going so far as to deem them opposites. In fact, they are merely the same emperor in varying "states" of dress (or undress).
Then we agree!
Except that I see myself as a liberal constitutionalist. Liberal in the sense that I don't need or want Govt telling me what to do beyond obeying the laws whose sole function is in the preservation of all the rights of all.
You are absolutely correct. Collectivism is liberty's enemy.
Aristocratic conservatism is not American conservatism. It is more closely related to monarchy and feudal systems.
How can you go through high school with the name Rod Long??
I guess he was philosophical about it!
There has always been a strain of pro-business, anti-laissez faire sentiment in the Republican Party. Abraham Lincoln, the party's patriarch, repeatedly indicated that he was strongly influenced by Henry Clay, a strong advocate of taxpayer funded internal improvements and protective tariffs. Clay was, in turn, influenced by Alexander Hamilton, the first champion of expansive Federal authority. A majority of the founders of the Republican Party were former Whigs, which was the party favored by manufacturers and wealthy people, including many Southern plantation owners. Alexander Stephens, the Confederate Vice President, was, like Lincoln, a former Whig.
The closest thing this country has had to a classical liberal party was the Democrats of the 19th Century. Jefferson, Jackson, and Cleveland were more libertarian than any Republican President, possibly excepting Harding and Coolidge. However, the rise of urban political machines such as Tammany Hall in the Northern cities in the late 19th Century and the rise of the Populist and Progressive movements in the 1890s and early 1900s moved the Democrats toward statism and, by the New Deal, socialism. By the 1930s, even moderate (pro-regulation) Republicans like Herbert Hoover seemed to be champions of liberty because the Democratic Party had moved leftward from the late 19th Century onward.
In the early 21st Century, the two parties have both become beholden to different factions of the elite: the Democrats to the entertainment, education, and tech industries and the Republicans to the energy, agribusiness, and military-industrial areas. Soros vs. Haliburton, if you will. Both parties have strong connections with overseas businessmen in China, the Middle East, and elsewhere. It is not a pretty picture, if you believe in limited government and free markets, but there you have it.
Bump
A VERY good summary.
Regrettably, not only do I have it, but so do the rest of us, and we are "having it" in a most unpleasant way.
We're both.
Corporatism and Communism are two sides of the exact same coin. Corporatism produces a communist reaction, and communism incites further insular actions on the part of corporatists. Leads to a sort of hi/lo welfare state, with the true entrepreneurs, and industrious middle-class being squeezed.
This country could seriously use a 3rd party, IMHO. America's being torn in half on purpose for the benefit of extremists and elitists on both sides.
A "corporate/fascist warfare/welfare state"?
(Couldn't resist)
tempted?
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