Liberalism vs. Fascism

Ludwig von Mises Institute ^ | November 25, 2005 | Roderick T. Long

[Conservative4Life]

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[the anti-liberal]

Perhaps fingerlakestennesee was actually Jay Bennish.

[tpaine]

We're still a constitutional republic, but just barely.

Both the communitarians and the aristocratic conservatives are 'in charge' through their majority political party structures, but to date they are held in check by a hard core minority of constitutionalists.

Outright, blatant infringements of our basic Constitutional liberties are still being fought against by patriots from every political faction.

-- The system is still working because the power structure knows it can be brought down by minority civil disobedience; -- by Constitutional insurrection.
-- Or so we hope.

[jdm]

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[Marie]

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[freepatriot32]

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[Supernatural]

Then we have a mixture of fascism, communism and liberalism that some refer to as "the third way".

I think they call it that because it is not capitalism and not socialism. They are left-wingers who are all for "something different".

To me it looks like a new phrase to describe communism.

[Little Ray]

Liberalism vs. Fascism

I like fascism better; they're nationalistic AND they have better uniforms...

[Marxbites]

So you are anti-Founders? And anti-Adam Smith too?

Anti-Declaration? Anti-Constitution?

These were ALL classical liberals, supporters of freedom and enemies of oppresive Govts.

Surely you jest? I believe the folks YOU are against are leftists, as I am also. Progressives stole the good name of liberal when actually they borrowed from the policies of the Euro-dictators whose power they were jealous of, and whose policies were derived from Marx.

There's just no accounting for a good ole American indoctrin... er, ah, education, eh?

LOL!!!!!!

[Marxbites]

True liberty loving classical liberalism is what's been going out the window for over 100 years, ever since Big Biz found it could buy via campaign contributions Govt protection of profits and regulations to keep competitors at bay or out of business. Both parties are guilty.

It boils down to collectivism in the name of the "common good" which always concentrates power, versus the Liberty that are our Founding Principles, all of which is grounded in property rights and free choice,

Watch Epstein give the Progressives their just desserts:
http://www.cato.org/realaudio/cbf-02-15-06.ram

[Marxbites]

You got it!

But it's more like elites use collectivism to shroud their real intent of enriching and empowering their presumtious selves in the name of compassion, whether constitutional or not.

Watch Epstein give the very reasons for today's considerable discontent, you'll like this, so share it please:

http://www.cato.org/realaudio/cbf-02-15-06.ram

The Constitution was written and ratified to secure liberty through limited government. Central to its design were two principles: federalism and economic liberty. But at the beginning of the 20th century, Progressives began a frontal assault on those principles. Drawing on the new social sciences and a primitive understanding of economic relationships, their efforts reached fruition during the New Deal when the Constitution was essentially rewritten, without benefit of amendment. In a new Cato book, Richard Epstein traces this history, showing how Progressives replaced competitive markets with government-created cartels and monopolies. Please join us for a discussion of the roots of modern government in the Progressive Era.

[Marxbites]

Absolutely disgusting that the Americans of 100-125 years ago were so stupid and connived as to reelect that great poseur FDR.

Did you know that FDR's family tree contains 10 previous presidents, his family members succeeding 2 of the 3 assassinated presidents?

Grant was closest at third cousin, but also includes UK royalty FDR & Eleanor called cousin as well - Eleanor being TR's niece too?

[Wallace T.]

Absolutely disgusting that the Americans of 100-125 years ago were so stupid and connived as to reelect that great poseur FDR.

Your time frame is a little off, as FDR was President from 1933 to 1945, but your point is well taken. Roosevelt's 1932 Presidential campaign was one of a fiscal conservative, more like those of Grover Cleveland or Al Smith, than William Jennings Bryan or Woodrow Wilson. He then governed well to the left of Hoover or even Wilson. Yet he was reelected by a landslide in 1936.

As for Roosevelt's ties with other Presidents, you must remember that, with the exception of John Kennedy, all our chief executives have been at least partially descended from pre-Revolutionary War white settlers. With over ten generations in America and the larger families common before the 20th Century, connections via blood or marriage will occur. This is especially true for elite families like the Roosevelts, the Bushes, and the Adams.

[Marxbites]

Looks just like the commie manifesto to me!

They HAVE taken us over from within, in fact one could almost say FDR and the progressives before him invited them right in. They wanted the power they saw Bismark had.

Roosevelt/Delano & his Rockefeller/Morgan/Rothschild puppeteers are the perps we should be hanging for treason, and their ugly spawn like the Rockefeller Foundation (and all the other elite tax havens of propaganda) & Rockefeller's CFR creature too.

[Supernatural]

I listened to the link you sent me. Thanks.

The part I liked the best was the govenment trying to claim interstate commerce on the fact that people were growing their own grain and feeding it to their own cattle. Huh?

[Marxbites]

Yeah boy, that is the case that broke it.

Epstein was pressed for time and not that easy to follow, at least to me - for he sounded a bit monotonous, but I'm gonna watch it a third and fourth time for sure.

Hoe bout that ahole Seidman? What a pinko POS!

[Marxbites]

You're right of course, I meant progressivism in general started then, when Govt began it's quid pro quo of subsidizing industry.

I seriously doubt any other dynasties like Roosevelt/Delano can claim eleven presidents though.

I got that out of a book written in 1948 by Josephson who traces the roots of the pre-New Deal to Marx and Bismark.

The Strange Death of FDR - A history of the Roosevelt-Delano Dynasty America's Royal Family

Chapter VI - The Rockefeller Empire Finances Communism, War and Other Philanthropies

Chapter VII - Blueprint of the New Deal - Hoffman Nickerson's "The American Rich"

Chapter XV - FDR launches New Deal - Builds Propaganda Machine and banking Monopoly

I am slowly OCR scanning chapters into MS Word and fixing errors.

Check this guys site - phenomenal

[Marxbites]

this may help! Just check out the coziness of progressives with the euro-dictators and bankers

http://www.barefootsworld.net/fs_m_biog.html

[x]

tempted?

No. This is pretty undigested. At some point, Rod Long forgets what he started out talking about and just quotes from his favorite thinkers. Just what the fascism is gets lost in the thicket.

[KC Burke]

My opinion as well. I thought most of this was a question framed just to trot out a lot of favorite opinions but it carried on to the degree that it appeared to be an exhibition as to how much the author had read and was ready to quote.