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Anglican leader opposes creationism in schools
Jackson News-Tribune ^ | 21 March 2006 | Paul Majendie

Posted on 03/21/2006 8:10:55 AM PST by PatrickHenry

The spiritual leader of the world‘s Anglicans does not believe that creationism -- the Bible-based account of the world‘s origins -- should be taught in schools.

"I don‘t think it should, actually. No, No," said Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, reflecting on the bitter education debate over religion and science that has so divided the United States in particular.

Williams, head of a church which has no problem with the Darwinian theory of evolution, told the Guardian newspaper: "I think creationism is, in a sense, a kind of category mistake, as if the Bible were a theory, like other theories."

Asked if he was comfortable with the teaching of creationism in schools, the mild-mannered and usually cautious theologian said: "Not very. Not very."

In the battle to bring God into the classroom, Christian conservative supporters of creationism and intelligent design seek to deny or downgrade the importance of evolution.

Intelligent design proponents say that nature is so complex that it must have been the work of a creator rather than the result of random natural selection as outlined in Charles Darwin‘s theory of evolution.

Williams‘ stance echoes the position of the Roman Catholic Church, the world‘s largest single Christian denomination, which has weighed into the debate by praising a U.S. court decision that rejected the intelligent design theory as non-scientific.

Catholicism, which has never rejected evolution, teaches that God created the world and the natural laws by which life developed.

British businessman Peter Vardy has funded schools in northern England that came under attack for teaching creationism in biology classes.

But the creationist movement has certainly not taken hold as strongly in Britain as it has in the United States.

"Religion has become politicized in America. That is not the case here. This is not a major issue," religious commentator and broadcaster Clifford Longley told Reuters.

"There is no intellectual credibility given to creationism in this country. There is no parallel between English evangelicals and American evangelicals.

"When I wrote an article saying there were no creationists in Britain, they both wrote to me."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; heretic; rowanwilliams; scienceeducation
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To: Right Wing Professor

"Natural Causes" seems to be invariable fatal and impossible to diagnose. You never hear about someone with a "bad case of natural causes." (Well, maybe Saddham.)


121 posted on 03/21/2006 3:00:28 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: JamesP81
Does that mean Jews are going to Hell forever?

Romans Ch 1 deals with this issue pretty directly, and does so far better than I could in an FR thread. It's a good read that I'd reccomend to anyone looking for an answer to this question.

I was looking for a "yes" or "no" answer to a simple question. Why not a simple "yes" or "no" answer?

As for the rules, keep in mind that I wasn't the one that made them.

But you do endorse those rules. You must believe that sending Jews to Hell forever is the right thing to do, correct?

122 posted on 03/21/2006 3:05:49 PM PST by Ken H
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To: PatrickHenry

Can you find:

Science 255:181-4

So far, I can't seem to get it online and I don't know why. It must be something I'm doing wrong.

Even our Creo friends might like it.


123 posted on 03/21/2006 3:18:58 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: Ken H
I was looking for a "yes" or "no" answer to a simple question. Why not a simple "yes" or "no" answer?

Translation: you don't want to read the Bible. Not even one chapter.

As I've said, however, anyone who does not come to faith in Christ is condemned. This includes Jews who don't come to faith in Christ. It includes 'Christians' who don't come to faith in Christ. It also includes everyone else who doesn't come to faith in Christ. The short answer, then, is yes.
124 posted on 03/21/2006 3:19:37 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: Ken H

I don't know. For 6000 years life on Earth has been aliving Hell for Jews. Maybe Satan's Palace might be a step up.

Besides according to some around here Hell will be where all the fun guys will be anyway.


125 posted on 03/21/2006 3:21:43 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Great article.


126 posted on 03/21/2006 3:24:39 PM PST by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: furball4paws
So far, I can't seem to get it online and I don't know why. It must be something I'm doing wrong.

It's in the AAAS members only area.

127 posted on 03/21/2006 3:25:37 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

I am a member. Because it's more than 10 years old it sends me elsewhere and then I gert nothing.


128 posted on 03/21/2006 3:27:11 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: furball4paws

Do you have the authors and title?


129 posted on 03/21/2006 3:31:03 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: furball4paws
Besides according to some around here Hell will be where all the fun guys will be anyway.

I certainly wouldn't want to send eternity with the self righteous twits who think they have found the golden ticket.

130 posted on 03/21/2006 3:40:45 PM PST by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: JamesP81

As I've said, however, anyone who does not come to faith in Christ is condemned.

Where did those who died before Christ lived end up?

131 posted on 03/21/2006 3:56:44 PM PST by ml1954
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To: Right Wing Professor

Norell. M.A. and Novacel, M.J. (1992) The Fossil Record and Evolution:Comparing Cladistic and Paleontologic Evidence for Vertebrate History. Science, 255:1690-3.


132 posted on 03/21/2006 4:07:57 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: zeeba neighba

Are you saying, then, that your claim was completely without factual basis?


133 posted on 03/21/2006 4:10:36 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: furball4paws

oops, make that novacek.


134 posted on 03/21/2006 4:16:38 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I found this interesting, though it might have to be posted under 'bloggers and personal'.

Yes, I noticed that. But you're right about where it should be posted. I really try to stick with either political news (such as school board battles or litigation), or else science news (which is, after all, news). If someone else were to post it, I'd ping for it.

135 posted on 03/21/2006 4:17:00 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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To: balrog666
No! Not the Easter Bunny!

Well as long as we're in an iconoclastic mood, I hope this doesn't spoil anyone's Easter fantasies, but this is where Easter Eggs REALLY come from:


136 posted on 03/21/2006 4:19:36 PM PST by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: longshadow

You probably put toothpick swords in Peeps and make them fight in the microwave.


137 posted on 03/21/2006 4:21:28 PM PST by js1138 (~()):~)>)
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To: longshadow; PatrickHenry

yup, Pat we need a new thread. Maybe I should contact the real Pat Henry?


138 posted on 03/21/2006 4:21:38 PM PST by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: js1138

Note to self: pick up peeps, toothpicks and a six-pack on way home.


139 posted on 03/21/2006 4:29:58 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: furball4paws
I thought this Anglican position would get more attention than it has. But then, the C of E hasn't been very exciting for several centuries. Linking it with the T of E doesn't seem to help. Creationists apparently don't take Anglicans seriously, and vice versa.

It's interesting, however, that one of the few 'noids to comment hurled the same insults at the Archbishop of Canterbury that they do at scientists -- gay, liberal, not truly Christian, etc.

140 posted on 03/21/2006 4:35:28 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Yo momma's so fat she's got a Schwarzschild radius.)
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