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TEEN MOWED DOWN (SHOT) OVER LAWN Just killed a kid, man tells 911
The Winnipeg Sun ^ | March 21, 2006 | AP

Posted on 03/21/2006 1:38:11 AM PST by beaversmom

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To: eastforker

I own firearms and am seeking to purchase some more. But...what if you accidentally hit a little kid playing or sitting across the street in your confrontation? Besides, wouldn't you risk putting buckshot in the side of your car?


141 posted on 03/21/2006 5:49:53 AM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Fawn
Ring-and-run can be an annoying prank, but would you want to shoot and kill a misbehaving teenager over that? Would you feel comfortable killing someone over that? Would that be morally justifiable? Actually killing someone ought to be a big deal and there should be a pretty high standard for that.

The fence option, dogs, alarms, motion detectors, an iron gate, the expense issue aside, would be the more preferable way to go. There are some pretty annoying delinquent teenagers, but usually they grow out of this stuff.

I mean if the kid was engaging in real vandalism a shot from a pellet gun or BB gun in the ass might have gotten his attention and avoided the homicide charge. To point a shotgun at someone and pull the trigger would seem to require some valid concern about one's own life or bodily safety.

142 posted on 03/21/2006 5:49:57 AM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: maggief

Remember it's Ohio. Lawns aren't greening up in Ohio quite yet.


143 posted on 03/21/2006 5:51:25 AM PST by Don'tMessWithTexas
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas
With nothing more, how does that justify the kid's death?

It doesn't. I also don't know why your asking me. ???
144 posted on 03/21/2006 5:51:52 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (No animals were harmed during the creation of this post.)
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To: beaversmom
The deadly shooting stunned those in the neighbourhood and students at Glen Este High School, where Martin was a freshman

A 66-year-old freshman?
145 posted on 03/21/2006 5:52:12 AM PST by Xenalyte (You're not the boss of Tiger Bot Hesh!)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

If it was ring and run he would not have been shot, he would not have been there. The kid hid in the bushes a few feet from the front door. The homeowner thought it was an attempted home invasion.


146 posted on 03/21/2006 5:52:30 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

I have no neighbors across the street. Any one around my house is not there by accident or taking a shortcut. If at night they are there for only one reason and it would not be for my best interest. As far as holes in my car, well it is my car, I can shoot all the holes in it I wish.


147 posted on 03/21/2006 5:55:53 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: hershey
"if you check their closets, the hangers all go the same way..."

Now you're scaring me. I put all my hangers the same way. Not sure about the light switches, though. All I know is when they're up, they're on.

Carolyn

148 posted on 03/21/2006 6:00:58 AM PST by CDHart
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To: Candor7

Excellent post. You never really know your neighbors and I bet there is a lot more to this story.


149 posted on 03/21/2006 6:05:32 AM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: SLB

You are correct.....this kid was slapping a cobra and got bit per se with his version of a game with a mental case.

He didn't deserve to get murdered for his disrespect of others property but if Martin brought this to the kids attention and asked em to keep their rugrats off his property and they ignored his "request / demands repeatedly then they are just as guilty as this crazy SOB that shot their kid IMO.

Control yer dang kids people there a friggin NUTS out there that will hurt em or as in this case worse !

Responsibility and respect will reduce regret........


150 posted on 03/21/2006 6:20:41 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: WLR

Put a bunch of seniors on the jury and this guy may walk. And maybe he should.


151 posted on 03/21/2006 6:22:22 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: humblegunner

My doc told me that it basically is associated with " Bright and pushy" people. I will admit to two very uniformly folded towels hanging in my bathroom. As far as pushy,....I have taken no for an answer, but not often. LOL!!!


152 posted on 03/21/2006 6:23:22 AM PST by BruceysMom (I'm hot & not in a good way: menopause ain't for sissies)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Oh, well. Blood makes the grass grow.

I think this is most likely a case of senile dementia. Lock him up and toss the key.


153 posted on 03/21/2006 6:23:46 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: from occupied ga
Don't deliberately provoke anyone - They might be having a bad day, be crazy or all of the above. Goading people is always dangerous - something that this kid found out too late unfortunately.

So true. Everyone has their limits/thresholds. I know I do...

154 posted on 03/21/2006 6:26:04 AM PST by BureaucratusMaximus (Liberal idiots are more than willing to allow people to die for their stupid idealistic notions)
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To: WLR

>I feel bad for the older fellow. I feel nothing for the rat or his parents. A 15 year old is not physicially a boy nor can his aggressive acts of disrespect be viewed as a childs. Even this biased story reports this killing as not being a random act of violence. The punk spent years apparently with his parents support taunting the senior, goading him.<

Are we getting the whole story? Perhaps the "innocent" shooter, was a nasty old jerk, who complained about this kid or his parents for anything and everything. Perhaps, just perhaps, this feud was egged on because the old man complained about the kid for basically being a kid, or was ugly to the kid's parents for some perceived problem. Perhaps the neighbors and the kid had been reacting to this nut's behavior by taunting him.

We don't know. All we're hearing is the story from someone so unbalanced he used a shotgun on another person when his own life was in NO danger whatsoever. Frankly, I hope they lock him up and throw away the key.

My neighbor, a nasty old coot who was once arrested by the previous owner of our house over a property dispute, called recently to whine that the FREE (to him) gravel we put on the privately maintained road, was "too large" and was causing him to have front end problems on his car. He's not paid a dime, since we moved here, for gravel or road maintenance, except to have his part of the gravel road paved (and had the nerve to want US to pay for part of that!).


155 posted on 03/21/2006 6:30:37 AM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: beaversmom
Correct title:

Teen Killed After Harrassing Elderly Man for Five Years

156 posted on 03/21/2006 6:34:11 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: eastforker

what good will youre car be to you in prison?


157 posted on 03/21/2006 6:35:17 AM PST by S0122017
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To: S0122017

You evidently are not familiar with Texas law.


158 posted on 03/21/2006 6:36:19 AM PST by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
You distinctly used the term "psycho" in connection with OCD and now I'm 'obsessing"??? You said now all the people that would defend OCD would now be offended, after your first post. I doubt I seriously represent "all" the cases of OCD. I'm sure there are a few more besides myself. The good part is I can take medicine for OCD, there isn't any cure for crass, bigoted opinions, let alone gross generalizations. My observations were not about anything you witnessed, they were about your categorization as people with OCD as psycho.
159 posted on 03/21/2006 6:38:21 AM PST by BruceysMom (I'm hot & not in a good way: menopause ain't for sissies)
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To: eastforker

No im not. So you are saying that if someone vandalizes youre car.. you are allowed to shoot that person?


160 posted on 03/21/2006 6:38:27 AM PST by S0122017
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