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THE IRAQ WAR: Three years -- White House no longer sees quick end to difficult war
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/19/6 | James Sterngold

Posted on 03/19/2006 8:18:36 AM PST by SmithL

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To: SuziQ

then you are clearly against how we ended WW2 and are implying that most of our troops are against how we ended it.


81 posted on 03/19/2006 9:55:11 AM PST by conservative physics
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To: Allegra
I don't get my information from television. I get it directly from military personnel returning from Iraq over the last two years.

If the majority of Iraqis truly welcomed the U.S. as liberators, there would be no need to have 130,000+ military personnel over there. We could just leave several million AK-47s and several hundred million rounds of ammunition there, and let them clean up their own neighborhood.

82 posted on 03/19/2006 9:57:06 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child

Frankly, you're full of it. I seriously doubt you get this "directly".


83 posted on 03/19/2006 9:59:07 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: MNJohnnie
That is one of the best written posts I have ever seen on FR.

I have put the map up before and will again.

If we are to ever change the path that the Mid East has been on for the last 30-40 years there was only one place to start,Iraq.

Logisticly and for security it had to happen.If we did not IMO we might as well have surrendered.


84 posted on 03/19/2006 9:59:17 AM PST by carlr
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To: SmithL

long ago, our forces won the war they were designed to win. what has taken place since, this nation building policing phase - was always going to be a drawn out affair, with lots of ups and downs.

its up to the iraqis now.


85 posted on 03/19/2006 9:59:56 AM PST by oceanview
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To: carlr

Great map.....thanks.


86 posted on 03/19/2006 10:00:57 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: SmithL
[ THE IRAQ WAR: Three years -- White House no longer sees quick end to difficult war ]

Ah the straw man.. Bush never said it would be quick or easy..
Written from the San Fransicko Hemorrhoid you should expect sick, I guess..

87 posted on 03/19/2006 10:02:52 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Allegra

Okay, I'm laughing at just your responses to this bluefish character and so I am going to find out what prompted your lovely comebacks to this obviously misimformed minion...


88 posted on 03/19/2006 10:04:21 AM PST by wazoo1031
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To: Enterprise

Then please, establish how you view it differently.

Taking it completely out of "war" status seems a little trite considering US troops are fighting an enemy, and that enemy is a real threat.


89 posted on 03/19/2006 10:05:04 AM PST by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Good, but the most direct reason I usually give to people as to why we had to go into Iraq is that after 9-11 we had to make sure that terrorists couldn't just pick up shop and go somewhere else to plot destruction. In order to make sure that governments who might be willing to support terrorists got the message we had to demonstrate that we were serious about fighting terrorism wherever we found it and that governments couldn't hide behind plausible deniability by supporting terrorists off the books-if we even suspected you were supporting terror we would act. We couldn't make that argument effectively as long as someone like Saddam who had been a thorn in our side for years remained in power. The other reasons you mention are true as well, but removing Saddam was a legitimate policy for us to pursue in fighting the WOT and any Dhimmmicrat would have done the same (I like to think the Republicans would have been a lot more responsible as the opposition party however).


90 posted on 03/19/2006 10:05:07 AM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: Lakeshark; Alberta's Child
Frankly, you're full of it. I seriously doubt you get this "directly".

That was my first thought. "Riiiiight."

AC, you're confusing the Iraqi people with the multitude of foreign terrorists who have come to Iraq. Those terrorists are why we still have lots of troops here.

It's called a War on Terror. They're largely concentrated into one place now.

Makes it a little easier to achieve victory. And regardless of what your "direct" sources are telling you, we are winning this thing.

Come on over and check it out for yourself. Dare ya.

91 posted on 03/19/2006 10:06:13 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: MacDorcha

Then you must first establish how this is like Korea. That was a "policing" action.


92 posted on 03/19/2006 10:06:22 AM PST by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Allegra

Hey-no fair. No stinking Burger King or Subway on our FOB (Heck we barely had a chowhall).


93 posted on 03/19/2006 10:08:08 AM PST by 91B (God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.)
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To: wazoo1031

Read posts #15, #20 and #33....LOL


94 posted on 03/19/2006 10:08:27 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: conservative physics

"It is Vietnam all over again."

Yes, we are winning militarily, and are succeeding, but the defeatist Democrats and MSM want us to lose at home what we are winning on the battlefield.

Just like Vietnam.

"We could end this war any day we wanted, just as we could have ended Vietnam any day we wanted."

Idiotic statement. Anyone who knows counterinsurgency knows these things take *time* ... nevertheless the chance of the insurgents winning is approximately .... 0% , IF WE STAY THE COURSE. I honestly believe that we are taking higher casualties SOLELY BECAUSE THE MEDIA IS KEEPING HOPE ALIVE FOR THE TERRORISTS.

If we had a more anti-terrorist media, IT WOULD BE OVER BY NOW.

"Good American men are dying in the 1000's because we are afraid of killing civilians and worried what the world thinks of us."

Our military leaders would strongly disagree with this. Further, it is exactly those civilian casualties that we do inflict (see headlines even today, we had a raid that killed some Iraqi civilians, every time this happens, the media trumpets it, and it makes us look bad) that give the terrorists the PR boosts they need ...

Solution? Simple - Iraqi Army will be doing more and more of the fighting. I know, the media will lie and call it a 'civil war' now, Iraqi Government fighting terrorists.
Never mind that, the key is to realize that war is hell, and the insurgents are the ones asking for it.


95 posted on 03/19/2006 10:10:08 AM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Justanobody
"They don't "listen" to any one. They pull their stories from dark places that civilized people don't discuss."

They're better than everyone else don't you know? That's why they don't feel they have to listen to the peons beneath them. The dark places they pull their stories from is the empty space in their brains. Jayson Blair is a prime example of a journalist today. Why go out and track down a story when you can sit at a bar, drink the afternoon away, and phone in your phony story...all while being on company time.

96 posted on 03/19/2006 10:10:33 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: 91B
Hey-no fair. No stinking Burger King or Subway on our FOB (Heck we barely had a chowhall).

Well, I can't get to BK or Subway easily anymore and our chow hall REALLY sucks now. And they got caught washing the vegetables in {gag!} Baghdad city water.

Does that make you feel better? ;-)

Which FOB were you on?

97 posted on 03/19/2006 10:11:10 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Enterprise

... Two things-

1) Korea was a War. And saying otherwise before the Board will lose you points.

2) I was paraphrasing YOU. YOU explain it.


98 posted on 03/19/2006 10:12:32 AM PST by MacDorcha (In Theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.)
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To: oceanview
its up to the iraqis now.

Not gonna touch it...not gonna go there....

Resist...resist...resist...

Mmmmmmphh!

99 posted on 03/19/2006 10:13:25 AM PST by Allegra (Please pray for peace in Iraq.)
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To: Allegra

Just calling it like I see it. Your opinion is worthless if it is wrong. Your panties are the ones that appear to be in a bunch. Get over it.


100 posted on 03/19/2006 10:14:01 AM PST by bluefish (Holding out for worthy tagline...)
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