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Harvard study: AIPAC makes US act against own interests
Jerusalem Post ^ | 3/19/6 | NATHAN GUTTMAN

Posted on 03/18/2006 10:39:55 PM PST by SmithL

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To: Earthdweller

"She had a chip on her shoulder that I left lying there."

Why exactly should she have had a chip on her shoulder when Jews have contributed so very much to the United States and people like you so very little?


61 posted on 03/19/2006 2:06:50 PM PST by Hannah Senesh
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To: dervish

"Translation please?"

We Jews have a very acute sense of smell, we really don't need a translation.

I can just imagine which side his family were supporting in World War II.


62 posted on 03/19/2006 2:08:29 PM PST by Hannah Senesh
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To: Hannah Senesh; dervish
"I can just imagine which side his family were supporting in World War II."

Here is a hint. Some of my grandfather's best friends are buried here. Can you "smell" where It is?


The "equalizers".

63 posted on 03/19/2006 5:39:56 PM PST by Earthdweller
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To: Earthdweller

I don't understand. Was that an answer to my question?


64 posted on 03/19/2006 6:19:44 PM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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To: SmithL; jaime1959; yuta250; US admirer; Earthdweller; All
I remember my first real awareness of Israel was in the 6th or 7th grade, which would have been around 1957 (think: Everly Brothers) or 1958.

Jewishness had a low profile in my southern town. The few Jews among us were very assimilated and tended to be high-achieving and respected members of the community, including the mayor. I am not aware that there was any particular Jewish presence in the school system, excepting the odd Jewish student here and there, several of whom were my friends.

Israel caught my young imagination -- and I am betting the imaginaitons of others -- when we learned about kibbutz life in Israel. It sounded like a permanent summer camp where children had escaped bourgeois parenting and were thriving in a socialist (didn't know then what that was exactly) utopia. I have now, to say the least, a radically different feeling about that message and some hostility over the fact that I received it in a way that made it sound so attractive. It was profoundly socialistic, but also, anti-family, anti-bourgeois, anti-American life.

A warm feeling toward Israel was then planted in my soul that I have not yet overcome. But, sometimes, I think that maybe old sentiment is overpowering reason. Israel was a socialist enterprise MUCH friendlier to the USSR than to the U.S., until political expediancy and the interests of dual-loyalty citizens bound it to the U.S.

Now, I feel bound to Israel by my abhorrence of their lunatic Arab enemies with their cult of death.

But, more broadly speaking, I wouldn't mind seeing the interest of Israel versus the interests of the U.S. being disintangled a bit.

65 posted on 03/19/2006 6:29:51 PM PST by LK44-40
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To: adam_az; jaime1959
Yup, better start banning us from certain careers and having anti-Jew quotas. Can's let us get uppity, now, can ya!

We dissect the body politic in every possible way -- Northerners, Southerners, Westerners, workers, professionals, educated and not so educated, blue state and red state, women, men, gays, Christians, fundamentalists, Catholics, atheists, ~and~ Jews, to mention of few common categories.

We probe the interests of all these groups.

Jews are not exempt from this.

I am, to be blunt, at war with anybody, like you, who comes back at any critique of Jewish interests or politics, either directly, or as you have done, with cheap sarcasm, waving the tired, old anti-Semite thing. It doesn't wash with me, dude.

66 posted on 03/19/2006 6:46:24 PM PST by LK44-40
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To: LK44-40

Could you please paraphrase and characterize the message I was replying to?


67 posted on 03/19/2006 9:20:58 PM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: jaime1959
Jews certainly have disporportionately large influences. However, we are hardly unified.
Do you have any idea of how many anti-Israel leftists are Jewish?

AIPAC has a different set of positions than the Zionist Organization of America. Many take "moderate" positions, generally supporting land-for-suicide.
68 posted on 03/19/2006 11:49:24 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Earthdweller

Do you actually believe that the Muslims would be peaceful but for Israel?


69 posted on 03/19/2006 11:50:56 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: LK44-40

The USSR turned on Israel by 1950.


70 posted on 03/19/2006 11:55:29 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: Cincinnatus.45-70

> If you are correct, then all lobbying should be banned. Blah, blah,blah, blah.... <

No, let's just be honest and call a spade and spade.


71 posted on 03/20/2006 4:12:22 AM PST by jaime1959
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To: adam_az

> Yup, better start banning us from certain careers and having anti-Jew quotas. Can's let us get uppity, now, can ya! <

A typical ploy designed to distract and cut off debate.


72 posted on 03/20/2006 4:14:30 AM PST by jaime1959
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To: SmithL
The Far Left sees Israel in the same light it sees America. As the fount of all evil. A rubbish study like this from prestigious Harvard confirms the moral rot that has spread through our institutions of higher education. Lo and behold: Ph.Ds distribute antisemitic tripe that once could be read only in neonazi rags and on Counterpunch. A college education dear friends, is absolutely worthless to cultivating a morally refined mind.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

73 posted on 03/20/2006 4:19:08 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: SmithL
There are raving anti-semites everywhere, especially at colleges. Even at Harvard.

It started in Germany when "the intellectuals" went after the Jews. This paper is an abomination and will backfire on Harvard, and the authors.

74 posted on 03/20/2006 4:22:29 AM PST by veronica ("A person needs a sense of mission like the air he breathes...")
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To: rmlew
"Do you actually believe that the Muslims would be peaceful but for Israel?"

No. I believe Muslim extremists can find many excuses to spread their violence across the globe as they have done for centuries.

Since we are probing here...are you of the "Nuke 'em all" crowd? Women and children as well? All 1.5 billion of them?

75 posted on 03/20/2006 7:37:09 AM PST by Earthdweller
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To: Earthdweller
No. I believe Muslim extremists can find many excuses to spread their violence across the globe as they have done for centuries.
Since we are probing here...are you of the "Nuke 'em all" crowd? Women and children as well? All 1.5 billion of them?

No. I believe in aggressive containment.
1. Destabilizing radical Muslim regimes.
2. Ending the capability of Islamist regimes to significantly damage the west. This means preventing Iran from getting nukes, and trying to peacefully disarm Pakistan lest it have an Islamic revolution.
3. Supporting Western and non-Western nations fighting the expansion of Islam.
4. ending Muslim immigration to the west, expelling as many Muslims as possible.

76 posted on 03/20/2006 12:33:16 PM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: rmlew
"No. I believe in aggressive containment."

Not totally disagreeing with your plan.

Just for arguments sake, this sounds like a type of global immunity to a germ.

How often will we need booster shots and who will be the bad guy to always administer them?

You must consider how the "patient" will react to this "treatment". Can it survive such an aggressive treatment?

Who will pay the cost of the treatment plan?

Keep in mind that a good physician will always take the least invasive type of approach. :)

77 posted on 03/20/2006 2:15:34 PM PST by Earthdweller
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To: LK44-40

> I am, to be blunt, at war with anybody, like you, who comes back at any critique of Jewish interests or politics, either directly, or as you have done, with cheap sarcasm, waving the tired, old anti-Semite thing. It doesn't wash with me, dude. <

Hear, hear!

If anything, I'm a Semitophile, but that doesn't mean I ignore the obvious.


78 posted on 03/20/2006 7:09:47 PM PST by jaime1959
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To: Earthdweller
Islamists will always act up. Even if a majority of Muslims accept their status as no longer the dominant civilization, there will be those who seek Jihad as the cure. Taking out the occasional trouble makers is the booster.

As for the treatment plan, I suggest a tariff on foreign oil. Besides, we have no real alternative. We cant click our heals together and undo the last 1389 years of history.

79 posted on 03/21/2006 1:38:20 AM PST by rmlew (Sedition and Treason are both crimes, not free speech.)
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To: jaime1959
If anything, I'm a Semitophile, but that doesn't mean I ignore the obvious.

Me too, although I have backed off my old habit of assuring people that "some of my best friends....," etc., etc. I just try to be honest and respectful, but I try not to back away from what I believe.

(I am more conscious of, and more interested in, Jews and Jewish politics than is usual for the goyim, an attitude that makes one immediately suspect to some. It started, for me, with an infatuation with the "New York intellectuals." Having put some thought into all of this, I naturally got over the tendency to think that all Jews were filled with nothing but the Anne Frank innocence and purity of spirit. Of course, no Jews are this sentimental about themselves but some of them expect that non-Jews will speak of them only in a reverent way.)

(You might be interested in the lengthy post that I just added to the 'Blame-the-Jews official endorses Gore' thread at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1597733/posts )

80 posted on 03/21/2006 8:13:59 PM PST by LK44-40
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