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What went wrong?
SacBee ^ | 03-16-06 | Daniel Weintraub

Posted on 03/16/2006 2:26:37 PM PST by Amerigomag

With the bond deal dead for June and in danger of not happening at all, Schwarzenegger now risks looking like a hapless governor. If that image sticks and intensifies over the summer, he will find it difficult to win reelection in the fall. What went wrong?

He put a number on it too early. He would have been better off beginning with a description of the goals.

He took Republicans for granted negotiating with the Democrats and always figuring he would be able to get the Republican votes for anything he and the Dems agreed to.

He tried negotiating individually with the leaders instead of all of them at the same time. Each time he came close to a deal with one, the others began to dump on the deal.

He was too secretive. Keeping the details behind closed doors increased the suspicion among Republicans.

He sent mixed signals on the timing. Nobody knew whether he really wanted the plan on the June or November ballot.

He insisted on a huge, comprehensive package. He probably could have won approval for a slimmed down package as the first phase of his larger plan.

But the real problem is that Schwarzenegger got himself into an almost impossible negotiating position from the start. By making this his top policy priority he handed his fate to the Democrats. He could not really walk away from the table because he needed the infrastructure package to show the voters that he could govern, but the Democrats knew they could pull the plug at any time with no political fallout.

That dynamic allowed the Democrats to take control of the package and shape it largely to their liking, which made Schwarzenegger’s job of getting Republican votes that much harder. It became a downward spiral.

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1 posted on 03/16/2006 2:26:38 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag; SierraWasp
SierraWasp's prediction of an Arnold pull out is looking more and more likely.
2 posted on 03/16/2006 2:30:34 PM PST by FOG724 (http://nationalgrange.org/legislation/phpBB2/index.php)
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To: FOG724

--- SierraWasp's prediction of an Arnold pull out is looking more and more likely. ---


Pull out?? Doesn't sound manly to me!!!

{George Carlin on the subject of Vietnam}


3 posted on 03/16/2006 2:31:56 PM PST by Paloma_55 (Which part of "Common Sense" do you not understand???)
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To: Amerigomag
With the bond deal dead for June and in danger of not happening at all, Schwarzenegger now risks looking like a hapless governor. If that image sticks and intensifies over the summer, he will find it difficult to win reelection in the fall

I can picture some little newspaper liberal, grinning to the point of *drooling over this story as he keys it into the terminal in his cubicle.

* Liberals drooling is not considered abnormal and they are not entitled to file for "workman's comp." for it.

4 posted on 03/16/2006 2:37:35 PM PST by capt. norm (If you can't make a mistake, you can't make anything.)
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To: Amerigomag
In one meeting with Assembly Republicans, the governor stayed five minutes, said he needed their votes and then left. His aides distributed a briefing detailing the deal he had made with Democrats, then they left. What followed was a Republican revolt.

Revolt was the proper response.

5 posted on 03/16/2006 2:42:48 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Amerigomag

If the Republicans in California go along with this fiasco, the party will be dead. When Arnold showed his true face and turned into Gray Davis II, it was time to pull the plug on him. Now he has little or no support among Republicans, and if he thinks the Democrats will vote for him in the next election, he's crazy.


6 posted on 03/16/2006 2:47:11 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Paloma_55

George Carlin is one of my favorites.


7 posted on 03/16/2006 3:02:40 PM PST by FOG724 (http://nationalgrange.org/legislation/phpBB2/index.php)
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To: FOG724
Regarding this issue, I don't think he would pull out at all, but this is the problem with having a Democrat controlled State Legislature.

Unless there are a ton of people willing to vote the Governor's way on propositions at the polls, then the Democrats realize they have the power in the state to frame and dictate the whole state agenda and debate.

We know the Democrats have a major power of the purse with all the money that flows in from state employees and unions to the tune of hundreds of millions.

This goes back to lax conservatives not going out in numbers to vote in 2005.
IMO, unless conservatives in California get off their butts to vote for whoever the Republican is for governor and every legislative position that is open for the Republican, then we have only ourselves to blame.

Anyone telling you in the regular election to NOT vote or to Vote Third Party in the regular election IMO would be a traitor trying to start sabotage to favor Democrats even further.

The fact no large conservative numbers came out to even pass the abortion notification prop for parents in 2005 showed the conservatives were complacent as hell, and got hell as a result.

"We Reap What We Sew"

I saw a lot of abdication from voting responsibilities by conservatives in 2005. There is a usual coalition of conservative, religious and business people that come out to vote and turn the liberal agenda around. It was not very strong in 2005 and we are seeing the price to be paid for that now.

Time to grow up, stop the self righteous hissy fits and to get to work.

We can not expect a place at the table of power as a gift if we don't all go out and vote wisely. We earn the power through our vote.

Don't forget to vote, or throw away your vote to some limited third party in the name of so called principles, because all you will do is get the communist democrat, their buddies, influence and politics elected.

Deal with it. Get over it. Grow up and move on.

We have to stop the conservative self sabotage and get every open seat in the state loaded with the Republicans. Democrats won't get you anywhere and I think you will see more conservative Republicans in the offices once they start to get a firm majority. Until then, they have to go where the market is.

8 posted on 03/16/2006 3:26:16 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: FOG724
SierraWasp's prediction of an Arnold pull out is looking more and more likely.

I dunno, Fogger...

CA: Governor guarantees bond victory

9 posted on 03/16/2006 3:53:17 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: A CA Guy; Amerigomag; SierraWasp; calcowgirl
I don't know 'bout where you live, but......

What's up w/ Arnold's last & this week's prime time TV ads ?
Money to burn ?

I say build it

I say, Arnold, stop putzing & maneuvering & get something (necessary) done - w/o using new funds.

You've got all the money you need (& then some) to accomplish something meaningful prior to Nov.

I (double dog) dare you !

10 posted on 03/16/2006 3:57:01 PM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

They are being paid for by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, an independent entity reportedly not affiliated with the Governor's campaign or collaborating in any way.

Here are two articles explaining more:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=uscoc


11 posted on 03/16/2006 4:08:56 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Amerigomag
Its no surprise in hindsight how it all ended. All I can say is we didn't take on a massive amount of new debt. I regard that as very good news indeed.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

12 posted on 03/16/2006 4:14:43 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: calcowgirl
Thanks for the info...but the timing & TV vs. radio/other ?

A shiny little mailer to each household ?

13 posted on 03/16/2006 4:15:15 PM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

I agree with your question marks. The whole campaign seems strange. I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish--maybe to keep Arnold's face out there in a positive manner while Westly and Angelides beat each other up?


14 posted on 03/16/2006 4:23:44 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: TheOracleAtLilac
Well, the building he is referring to is the repairs and future needs of this state over the next 20 years.

The state has been long over due regarding roads as you know.
Had we foreseen decades into the future when freeways like the 5 went down, I'm sure the state would not have allowed homes to be build right up to the freeway.
Had the state thought ahead, expansion would have been not so costly, or inconvenient to those who would suffer eminent domain. Plus the cost to the taxpayer to out properties near the current freeways to expand has been very costly. Could be in the billions there alone.

We need infrastructure that considers the next twenty years.
Whether that is financed yearly, by the project or whatever, I think that is something we will have to eventually do.

Regarding the projects, I do not think unions should automatically get it, I think the private sector should be allowed to compete for contracts for a reasonably low bid without being then forced to placate to unions.

15 posted on 03/16/2006 4:35:03 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: calcowgirl

I guess we just have to let california fail. It can't be fixed until they see the consequenses of their irresponsibility.

Kind of like Dante. The only way out (of Hell) is down.


16 posted on 03/16/2006 4:35:19 PM PST by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practice politics that way.)
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To: A CA Guy
Sound reasoning but there's also the issue of those pesky little facts.

Fact: Not all elected Republicans are of the same ideology or even similar ideologies.

Fact: Electing a liberal, even a registered, Republican liberal, will ultimately get their buddies into positions of influence and power. Judicial appointments are a prime example.

Fact: Election of a liberal Republican, who has been more than willing to work with Democrats to emasculate principled, Republican objections, has serially proposed and approved liberal policies, and who's hallmark has been to exclude elected Republicans from the deliberative, legislative process, is simply advancing liberalism.

No, my loyal, Republican brother, blindly voting for for governor and every legislative position that is open for the Republican will not prevent the communist democrat, their buddies, influence and politics from being elected. It will simply stamp communist, democrat influence and politics with an (R).

I'd prefer we don't. That is simply and profoundly insane, don't ya think?

BTW, those who voted for the Austrian in 2003 only have themselves to blame. Pleading with conservatives to support a corrupted CRP isn't going to drown out the rising chorus of "I told you so!"

17 posted on 03/16/2006 4:39:11 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: A CA Guy
agree that we need road/bridge/etc improvements.
Fund it from gas taxes - as it should be & stop playing 3 card Monty in funding all the other (non-essential) pet projects.
18 posted on 03/16/2006 4:40:50 PM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

The 9 cents a gallon or what ever from each gallon that the drivers pay wouldn't be enough to build the state. That kind of stuff has always been a legitimate reason to raise bonds.

I guess if you want to add 15-20 more cents a gallon for the next ten years we could fund roads that way, sure.


19 posted on 03/16/2006 4:45:52 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Time to grow up, stop the self righteous hissy fits and to get to work.

So, what? Would you have had the Republican legislators support Wednesday night's pork-ridden, debt-filled monstrosity just because an (R) governor negotiated the deal?

Do you consider their opposition a "hissy fit"?

Personally, I consider them heroes.

And if something similar ever hits the ballot, be assured that I will be strongly opposing it and standing on Republican principles of fiscal responsibility, something that seems to be an endangered species of late.

20 posted on 03/16/2006 4:51:04 PM PST by calcowgirl
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