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To: ScubieNuc
The best physical evidence for the existance of God is Jesus.

There are any number of instances of people who have convinced large numbers of followers that they were some kind of deity. If you are Christian, you can point to Mohammed, and if you are Islamic, you can point to Jesus. Both were historical figures, although there may be more independent corroboration for Mohammad than Jesus. The fact that large religions grew up based on Jesus and Mohammad is an indication that it doesn't take a real "god" to generate such religions.

About Jesus' death and resurrection. You might look into the Zombification that's been practiced in Haiti for centuries based on a toxin from the puffer fish. The puffer is also found in the Red Sea. Jesus hung out around fishermen, and we don't have any idea what skills he learned between age 12 and 33.

It's a stretch to think that he could have used this toxin to perform his resurection miracles on others, and then on himself. But it's not out of the question either. You will note that he was taken from the cross earlier than the two thieves, after being pierced with a spear and having no reaction. That is exactly the symptom of puffer fish Tetrodotoxin poisoning. Removing him from the cross early kept him from dying of those effects.

This is all speculation. And it's way off the subject of evolution. But the bottom line is there really is no bullet proof evidence that anything in the Bible is true. And noting the growth in beliefs of any number of other mutually exclusive religions, common sense says that Christianity is just another one of those.

This discussion about whether God is real and the Bible is true is always where discussions of evolution lead. Except with Catholics who have followed the lead of the Vatican and separated their faith from any possible conflict with science. That is the intelligent policy, and someday perhaps American fundamentalist Christians will follow it.

555 posted on 03/16/2006 8:43:54 AM PST by narby (Evolution is the new "third rail" in American politics)
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To: narby
The "zombification" idea is quite the streach. Jesus was put to death by a trained group of Romans. The Roman charge against Him would have amounted to the leader of an insurection. They would have made sure he was dead.

Hanging on a cross is suffication. Even if you were on drugs, the lungs are collapsed and you die, if you don't pull yourself back up. Plus, many many more things that point to the fact that Jesus was killed, and that something miraculous occured to inspire so many. But, I understand that you don't want to believe that, so, I'll just move on.

"But the bottom line is there really is no bullet proof evidence that anything in the Bible is true."

HERE is just a quick reference source that shows that somethings in the Bible are proven to be very acurate.

"Except with Catholics who have followed the lead of the Vatican and separated their faith from any possible conflict with science. That is the intelligent policy, and someday perhaps American fundamentalist Christians will follow it."

As long as the Bible says things like.....

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

You won't have true Bible believers accepting that you have millions of years of death before man arrives on the scene. If death wasn't the result of sin, then the Bible is wrong and Jesus didn't need to die. This is because Jesus rescues us from the punishment for sin....death. Those "christians" that accept otherwise, are not understanding their own faith.

Sincerely
578 posted on 03/16/2006 4:01:01 PM PST by ScubieNuc
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