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The "zombification" idea is quite the streach. Jesus was put to death by a trained group of Romans. The Roman charge against Him would have amounted to the leader of an insurection. They would have made sure he was dead.

Hanging on a cross is suffication. Even if you were on drugs, the lungs are collapsed and you die, if you don't pull yourself back up. Plus, many many more things that point to the fact that Jesus was killed, and that something miraculous occured to inspire so many. But, I understand that you don't want to believe that, so, I'll just move on.

"But the bottom line is there really is no bullet proof evidence that anything in the Bible is true."

HERE is just a quick reference source that shows that somethings in the Bible are proven to be very acurate.

"Except with Catholics who have followed the lead of the Vatican and separated their faith from any possible conflict with science. That is the intelligent policy, and someday perhaps American fundamentalist Christians will follow it."

As long as the Bible says things like.....

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

You won't have true Bible believers accepting that you have millions of years of death before man arrives on the scene. If death wasn't the result of sin, then the Bible is wrong and Jesus didn't need to die. This is because Jesus rescues us from the punishment for sin....death. Those "christians" that accept otherwise, are not understanding their own faith.

Sincerely

The "zombification" idea is quite the streach.

Yeah. I said the same in the post.

The Roman charge against Him would have amounted to the leader of an insurection. They would have made sure he was dead.

Read more into the links on the puffer fish poisoning. Many times modern doctors have promounced victims dead, only to have them wake up hours later. A Roman soldier, having noted that Jesus didn't react to a spear would conclude he was dead.

Hanging on a cross is suffication. Even if you were on drugs, the lungs are collapsed and you die

And de-hydration, and blood loss, and all kinds of nasty things. It takes many hours to die on a cross. Check out the people who have themselves nailed to a cross in Latin American countries at Easter every year.

All of this was just speculation. But it's interesting that everything would fit with puffer paralysis, right down to taking him off the cross early.

This is because Jesus rescues us from the punishment for sin....death. Those "christians" that accept otherwise, are not understanding their own faith.

They merely have a different understanding of their faith than you.

Thanks for the civil conversation. Neither of us will convince the other, which is what almost always happens when people of different beliefs talk about them.

What I hope to convince you of, or at least some lurkers, is that forcing creationism, by whatever label, into public schools can do no positive good. And it can do a great harm by sparking the kind of discussion we've had here about whether the Bible is true at all. When a young person has such a conversation in a public school, away from parents and church people, it doesn't hold much hope for helping their faith. Some, certianly, will be forced to reject their faith as I was, when I had to make up my mind between physical evidence in front of me, and an old book that my family had followed for generations. That's not a good choice. The policy of non-confrontation with science that the Catholics have (which doesn't mean you have to believe evolution, just not argue about it outside of church) is a much more sound policy.