Divide is too deep for immigration reform

Christian Science Moniter ^ | March 13, 2006 | David R. Francis

[Ladycalif]

Steven Camarota doubts that Congress will agree on an immigration bill this election year. The research director for the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington, D.C., sees too great a divide between the views of "elites" and the "public" over the economic and social merit of a massive inflow of foreigners.

[Ladycalif]

[trubluolyguy]

Steven Camarota doubts that Congress will agree on an immigration bill this election year.

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If the Repubs value their power, one better be passed. One that does NOT include amnesty in any form.

[P-40]

If the Repubs value their power, one better be passed.


If they expect to get the conservative vote...that would be a smart move.

[trubluolyguy]

If they expect to get the conservative vote.

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I agree. That big tent is starting to resemble an outhouse.

[Pelham]

bttt

[oldbill]

In the long term, this issue, more than any other, even Iraq, will be the one that kicks the Republicans out of power, and for a long time.

The Republican elites, mostly in the Senate, untouched by the problem in their mansions inside gated communities in Phoenix, etc. are only attuned to their corporate buddies who like the slave labor and high profits provided by illegals.

Of course the Democrats in power will only make the problem worse. But the people are just fed up with this immigration nonsense and the effect it is having on their quality of life and will take it out on all the Republicans, even those in the House who are trying to fix it.

[NewRomeTacitus]

The Senate is still working on legislation. But proposals include a guest-worker program that would include what Mr. Camarota regards as amnesty in disguise for illegals living here now.

In rich nations, no program of guest or temporary workers has ever led to such workers going home after their time was up. To think they will is "just silly," Camarota says. In Germany, most Turkish "guest" workers have remained. The same is true of South Asians in Britain and North Africans in France.

I saw the Turkish immigrant problem for myself when stationed in West Germany - and Islam did not curb their involvement in drugs and prostitution. While most of our illegals aren't following a death cult they do share the criminal and non-assimilation trend for the very same reasons...the native population of each country is contaminated by the tyranny of "political correctness" so won't lift a finger in their own defense for the ridiculous fear of accusations of oppression.

If my fellow citizens don't get a grip very soon I can only feel they're going to deserve whatever mercies the Aztlanites grant them. The example of Mayfield, CA (97% "Hispanic" just declared itself a sanctuary city) is going to happen in town after town...and note how many illegals marched through Chicago the other day with no fear of apprehension.

The nightmare is on...no sub-class has ever tolerated that standing without revolting in all history. Too bad I never raked in profits from sub-wage labor for all the trouble it's about to cause.

[CheyennePress]

Haha! Classic line! I hate that it's at the expense of so-called conservatives.

[ClaireSolt]

The falacy is to expect Washington to somehow magically correct problems that sanctuary city policies encourage. As long as people will not lift a finger as they watch their homes burn in CA, they will also be flooded by illegals. Why don't they load the undesirables on buses and drive them home, themselves? The refusal of local governments to act is a big part of the problem, unless you want ICE agents crawling all over the country.

[tkathy]

I know noone wants it, but a national ID swipe card in a national database (with foto only), along with stiff penalties that would be split with whistle blowers, is the only solution I can think of.

[Travis McGee]

There is even a saying in Germany about this:

"There is nothing in the world as permanent as a 'temporary' guest worker."

[P-40]

sanctuary city policies encourage.


You'd think 911 would have ended those...

[P-40]

"There is nothing in the world as permanent as a 'temporary' guest worker."


And if they have a kid here...they won't be going anywhere.

[Travis McGee]

Or MANY kids.

[ClaireSolt]

Give one example. "The nightmare is on...no sub-class has ever tolerated that standing without revolting in all history.' Revolutions don't come from the bottom. they have all been fomented by guys like bin Laden.

[NewRomeTacitus]

You're being too restrictive in definition. I'm going from the Jews in ancient Egypt to the current Islamization of Europe (guest workers).

No sub-group stays that way in a properly functioning society and I think that's especially proper in America. The issue of slavery came close to upsetting our little experiment and culminated with the War of Northern Aggression...er, the Civil War.

Despite the Democrat Party's continuing attempt to convince the descendants of former slaves that they're powerless without that party's aid more and more are breaking free from the ideological plantation and achieving success on their own merits.

Then there's the overturning of Apartheid in South Africa, admittedly still turbulent in South Africa due to Communism meeting tribalism yet still maintaining a positive economy.

Or the Vietnamese under French colonization, or the collapse of East Germany...

But you were just hoping to quash my belief that revolution is inevitable when sections of a society are held down. Revolution can even produce positive developments - you wouldn't be typing here without fear of reprisement otherwise.

[ClaireSolt]

Go ahead and believe what you want. Maybe someday you will be interested in facts, not beliefs.

[titerite]

We aren't talking about true sections of our society. Revolution should not even be an issue for illegal aliens.

[NewRomeTacitus]

Neither should openly marching to protest the infringement of rights they actually don't have (nor deserve, being uninvited invaders). If they can march without fear of authority entertaining that mass delusion why shouldn't they consider more extreme measures?

We're talking about a group of people who've been herded here by a bad government that filled their limited educations with lies about how all their troubles are somehow our fault. And don't forget the Aztlan fairy tale so many of them take for granted. Sprinkle liberally with Che' and socialism and let simmer in discontent.