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To: dervish
"But there are others who support him and who he supports."

Saudi Royals?!? Show me the evidence.

"Al Qaeda is allowed to preach in all the SA Mosques."

Why do you insist on making stuff up? How long is it going to take for you to realize that not everyone just accepts unsupported statements as fact? How much of this garbage do YOU really believe?

"You sound like an Arabist from our State Dept."

I guess I prefer that to the ignorance you are displaying.

"And you have lost all sight of reality."

Yet I support my positions with actual facts. You just make things up and hope folks will believe you. Spare me your lectures on "reality".

"When you compare UAE favorably to Europe you lose all credibility."

I have been fired on by new French missiles over Iraq. Missiles that didn't exist in Iraq before the first Gulf War. I have bombed French radar equipment used by Iraqis to target our aircraft flying UN mandated no fly zone enforcement missions. And then, I have seen those radar sites rebuilt with new French equipment soon after we destroyed them. No weapons systems or military equipment leaves a Western nation without approval of its government. Especially not from companies that rely on EU subsidies to survive. And as their weapons were used against American pilots, the French and German governments did everything in their power cripple our efforts to overthrow Saddam. Their political leaders continue to base their political campaigns on who can make stronger anti-US statements. Their courts threaten to try our soldiers as war criminals, while their defense industries compete to supply weapons that kill our soldiers in the field. And don't even get me started on our good NATO allies the Turks.

And while all this is going on, do you know what the Government of the UAE has done. Given us everything we asked for. Opened their ports to support our war on terror. Provided military airfields so we can fly surveillance missions. Dealt with direct threats from Al Qaeda and other terror groups for working too closely with us. And all the while providing one of the most secure environments in the world for our operations in and out of the country.

So please don't lecture me about the UAE not being favorable to Europe. I'd drop our "alliance" with Continental Europe in a heartbeat in favor of countries like the UAE. You've got NO IDEA what you are talking about, and don't even realize how little you know. You toss out fiction like its fact and wonder why everyone doesn't share your view of "reality". It boggles the mind.

1,114 posted on 03/16/2006 8:21:25 PM PST by Rokke
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To: Rokke

Me: "Al Qaeda is allowed to preach in all the SA Mosques."

You: "Why do you insist on making stuff up? How long is it going to take for you to realize that not everyone just accepts unsupported statements as fact? How much of this garbage do YOU really believe?"

Do you speak Arabic? Do you read any Arabic translations? MEMRI?

I read it everyday.

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=saudiarabia&ID=SP108006

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?

The signatories claimed in the communiqué that the resistance against the coalition forces in Iraq is an Islamic duty: "There is no doubt that the Jihad against the occupiers is an obligation incumbent upon any able person. This is a type of Jihad whose aim is to repel the aggressor, and it is not bound by the conditions that hold for an intentional Jihad; thus, there is no need for a supreme leadership [i.e., a Caliph who would declare Jihad ], but rather the matter is undertaken according to [each Muslim's] ability… these occupiers are undoubtedly military aggressors, and there is a legal consensus concerning [the obligation] to fight them so that they will leave in humiliation, Allah willing. In addition, worldly law also recognizes a people's right to resistance…

'snip'

The only senior Saudi officials to condemn the communiqué were the Saudi ambassadors to the U.S. and to Britain, in statements that appeared only in English.


http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=countries&Area=saudiarabia&ID=SP89605

http://www.memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=947

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SP103205

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=IA24105


http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=523

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=subjects&Area=jihad&ID=SP107606

Yes, I really believe what I read in the Arabic press and from their governments in Arabic. If you only read the MSM as your links to me show, you get the sanitized version. You are a naif.



1,116 posted on 03/16/2006 9:23:41 PM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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