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To: Rokke

The denial by Prince Sultan is particularly convincing. Politically motivated face saving denials do not change the facts here.

I do not deny that Bin Laden is at war with PARTS of the Saudi royals. But there are others who support him and who he supports.

Al Qaeda is allowed to preach in all the SA Mosques. No public speech happens without state sanction. The Saudis support and export Jihad around the world.

You sound like an Arabist from our State Dept. Oil and business motivate you. And you have lost all sight of reality. When you compare UAE favorably to Europe you lose all credibility.


1,111 posted on 03/16/2006 10:47:23 AM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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To: dervish
"But there are others who support him and who he supports."

Saudi Royals?!? Show me the evidence.

"Al Qaeda is allowed to preach in all the SA Mosques."

Why do you insist on making stuff up? How long is it going to take for you to realize that not everyone just accepts unsupported statements as fact? How much of this garbage do YOU really believe?

"You sound like an Arabist from our State Dept."

I guess I prefer that to the ignorance you are displaying.

"And you have lost all sight of reality."

Yet I support my positions with actual facts. You just make things up and hope folks will believe you. Spare me your lectures on "reality".

"When you compare UAE favorably to Europe you lose all credibility."

I have been fired on by new French missiles over Iraq. Missiles that didn't exist in Iraq before the first Gulf War. I have bombed French radar equipment used by Iraqis to target our aircraft flying UN mandated no fly zone enforcement missions. And then, I have seen those radar sites rebuilt with new French equipment soon after we destroyed them. No weapons systems or military equipment leaves a Western nation without approval of its government. Especially not from companies that rely on EU subsidies to survive. And as their weapons were used against American pilots, the French and German governments did everything in their power cripple our efforts to overthrow Saddam. Their political leaders continue to base their political campaigns on who can make stronger anti-US statements. Their courts threaten to try our soldiers as war criminals, while their defense industries compete to supply weapons that kill our soldiers in the field. And don't even get me started on our good NATO allies the Turks.

And while all this is going on, do you know what the Government of the UAE has done. Given us everything we asked for. Opened their ports to support our war on terror. Provided military airfields so we can fly surveillance missions. Dealt with direct threats from Al Qaeda and other terror groups for working too closely with us. And all the while providing one of the most secure environments in the world for our operations in and out of the country.

So please don't lecture me about the UAE not being favorable to Europe. I'd drop our "alliance" with Continental Europe in a heartbeat in favor of countries like the UAE. You've got NO IDEA what you are talking about, and don't even realize how little you know. You toss out fiction like its fact and wonder why everyone doesn't share your view of "reality". It boggles the mind.

1,114 posted on 03/16/2006 8:21:25 PM PST by Rokke
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