Posted on 03/12/2006 12:06:29 PM PST by CyberAnt
Liberals are whipping themselves into a frenzy over "Bush's domestic spying." But the left's outrage is new. During the Clinton era, they found government surveillance just peachy. In 1999, in fact, The New York Times itself had no problem with the Clinton NSA's Echelon project, which - without warrants - monitored millions of phone calls between U.S. citizens: "Few dispute the necessity of a system like Echelon," assured The Times, "to apprehend foreign spies, drug traffickers, and terrorists."
That was then. Now the antique press is too busy getting its panties in a wad about Bush Administration security measures to mention Bill Clinton's spying.
Let's refresh the record:
The Clinton Administration listened to every domestic conversation.
* On Feb . 27, 2000, "60 Minutes" aired a story on Clinton's massive spying program. Steve Kroft reported: "If you made a phone call today or sent an e-mail to a friend, there's a good chance what you said or wrote was captured and screened by the country's largest intelligence agency. The top-secret Global Surveillance Network is called 'Echelon' ... The mission is to eavesdrop on enemies of the state: foreign countries, terrorist groups, and drug cartels. But in the process, Echelon's computers capture virtually every electronic conversation around the world." Unlike Bush's NSA program -- which targets international calls from those with known al Qaeda ties -- Echelon's net caught everybody.
* Echelon was frequently used for economic espionage. Former CIA Director James Woolsey told France's Le Figaro that "spying on Europe is justified" in order to meet U.S. economic objectives -- such as "track[ing] corruption in international business." Mike Frost, a former member of Canadian intelligence, was quoted in The New York Times in May 1999 claiming that "[Echelon's] focus now is towards economic intelligence."
* According to Insight magazine, the Clinton Administration bugged Asian businessmen and allegedly sold the information to Democratic National Committee (DNC) donors. In mid-1997, anonymous sources told Insight that 1993's Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation [APEC] conference, held in Seattle, was thoroughly bugged in a "top-secret operation run by the FBI in conjunction with intelligence personnel from the ... NSA, and the Office of Navel Intelligence, among other things.
The Clinton Administration had an online wiretapping system.
* In July 2000 The San Francisco Chronicle reported that the Clinton FBI required Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to install a government "black box" on their servers which could read all of their customers' electronic communications -- chat sessions, instant messages, website visits, etc. This blanket wiretap was dubbed "Carnivore" by the FBI itself, a name that contradicted the Agency's claims that the program was equipped "with a 'surgical' ability to intercept and collect the communications which are the subject of the lawful order while ignoring those communications which they are not authorized to intercept."
The Clinton Administration argued for warrantless spying before Congress.
* In 1994, Clinton flack Jamie Gorelick made the case for "warrantless physical searches" -- obviously more intrusive than wiretapping -- before the Senate Intelligence Committee. Gorelick, was the architect of the infamous "wall" barring communication between the FBI and the CIA that thwarted pre-9/11 counter-terrorism efforts. Here's Gorelick's now-conveniently-forgotten testimony: "[T]he President has inherent authority to conduct warrantless physical searches ... in carrying out his foreign intelligence responsibilities."
* As Byron York of National Review reports, Gorelick also "made clear that ... President [Clinton] believed he had the power to order warrantless searches for the purpose of gathering intelligence, even if there was no reason to believe that the search might uncover evidence of a crime."
* Gorelick further asserted that the Clinton Administration would reject Congress's oversight of its warrantless searches if demands "restrict[ed] the President's ability to collect foreign intelligence necessary for the national security."
The Clinton Administration used satellites for domestic spying.
* The McCurtain Daily Gazette, a small Oklahoman newspaper, recently obtained and reported on a Secret Service log detailing how a government satellite was used during the Clinton era to spy on a "white separatist compound" the feds believed may have been involved in the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on April 19, 1995. "Satellite assets have been tasked to provide intelligence concerning the compound," the log says, in what even the Associated Press considered an "unusual" use of foreign surveillance equipment.
* The Gazette notes that the "domestic use of a military satellite for domestic spying is a violation of DOD [Department of Defense] and CIA regulations regarding proper use of top-secret national security satellites." And yet Sen. Robert "Sheets" Byrd (D, WV) didn't decry such spying as akin to "the thuggish practices of our enemies," as he did with the Bush wiretapping story. You'd think he would have been upset about the government spying on a "white separatist compound," but no.
Clinton's sleazy P.I.
* Currently in jail for illegal possession of dangerous materials, disgraced Hollywood detective Anthony Pellicano is also the focus of a federal wiretapping investigation. As The Los Angeles Times reports, when police raided his office in 2002, they "hauled away computers containing ... wiretapping software and encrypted files of phone conversation transcripts." Media coverage has virgutally ignored Pellicano's Clinton connection.
* In 1992, when tapes of Clinton speaking to Gennifer Flowers were made public, Pellicano claimed to be a "forensic audio expert" and dismissed them as frauds. Clinton flacks denied rumors that Clinton hired Pellicano to intimidate those who would endanger his candidacy.
* Mary Matalin told a radio audience in 1997 that she received appeals from women who knew Clinton and were "threatened into silence by Mr. Pellicano," during the '92 campaign, reports NewsMax.com. Said Matalin: "I got the letters from Pellicano to these women intimidating them ... I had tapes of conversations from Pellicano to the women."
On Feb. 3, 2006, Bill Clinton bragged to New York's WCBS News Radio: "I actually liked it [the FISA law] because none of us are immune from error. And if, for example, we wiretapped a conversation of a totally innocent person, you would not want that conversation to be used in some other way, for some other reason. So I never had a problem with it."
No comment from Juanita Broaddrick.
I've come to the conclusion that the dems are yelling so loudly about Bush's NSA program to cover up for their EVEN WORSE USE OF OTHER PROGRAMS [Echelon and Carnivore] - which were actually doing DOMESTIC SPYING.
Bush is not doing domestic spying [and yes, I'd bet my life on it] .. and today's stupid, ignorant statement by Sen. Feingold that Bush should be censored for the NSA program just sent me over the top. The Chutzpah of these current democrats continues to expose them for who they really are: power hungry, irresponsible, lying, cheating, ignorant baffoons!
There may be a few repubs who need a kick in the behind, but there is no way I want to allow the current Democrat Party back into the WH .. or in control of the House or the Senate.
And .. anybody who sits home on election day and allows that to happen is even more of an idiot.
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Double standard again, just like the port deal.
Absolutely! Unfortunately, we have too many here on FR that want to 'punish' Republicans by allowing the Dems to take control.
Of course .. it's the only way they operate.
I was watching a special on the Kennedy family last night .. and the narrator openly admitted the Kennedy's believed the rules didn't apply to them .. rules apply to the little people.
It's that attitude of priviledge, eliteness, snobbery, I'm better than you attitude that has destroyed the dem party.
"punish repubs by allowing dems to take control"
You're right - a lot of people on FR want that - but who's really going to get punished here - YOU and ME - not the repubs.
That's why it's so stupid to think that way.
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Should be sent to russ feingold!??!
"Should be sent to russ feingold"
Okay FReepers in Feingold's state - get to it. They will pay more attention to you than they will a person who does not live in their state.
And .. how about sending this to the program who allowed Feingold to present his horrible statements.
In short,,, if a RAT did it,,fergit it.
ON WARRANTLESS SEARCHES AND WIRETAPS:
THE ABYSMAL CONSTITUTIONAL RECORD OF BILL + HILLARY CLINTON
Cyber, you said "I've come to the conclusion that the dems are yelling so loudly about Bush's NSA program to cover up for their EVEN WORSE USE OF OTHER PROGRAMS [Echelon and Carnivore] - which were actually doing DOMESTIC SPYING.
And strongly suspect that you are correct.
I suggest that the time has come to stop letting the NYT define the issues; and to make the CENTRAL ISSUE that of news media activism (much more than simple bias).
For starters, we might request a News Fraud Exposure forum right here on F.R. (I know others exist, but I think an F. R. forum is where the real action would be during election year.)
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Clinton's sleazy P.I. * Currently in jail for illegal possession of dangerous materials, disgraced Hollywood detective Anthony Pellicano is also the focus of a federal wiretapping investigation. As The Los Angeles Times reports, when police raided his office in 2002, they "hauled away computers containing ... wiretapping software and encrypted files of phone conversation transcripts." Media coverage has virgutally ignored Pellicano's Clinton connection. ![]() * In 1992, when tapes of Clinton speaking to Gennifer Flowers were made public, Pellicano claimed to be a "forensic audio expert" and dismissed them as frauds. Clinton flacks denied rumors that Clinton hired Pellicano to intimidate those who would endanger his candidacy.
On Feb. 3, 2006, Bill Clinton bragged to New York's WCBS News Radio: "I actually liked it [the FISA law] because none of us are immune from error. And if, for example, we wiretapped a conversation of a totally innocent person, you would not want that conversation to be used in some other way, for some other reason. So I never had a problem with it."
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You may be right about our starting a "news fraud" exposure thread .. something similar to "A Day in the Life" type of thread. It's your idea, go for it - be sure you ping me - I'm very busy right now, but I'll try to get involved as much as I can. I think there are 2 organizations who are regularly posted here - maybe that should be included as part of our conversation. Sometimes, when we see it pointed out as being an error - it triggers other information, or other examples of the same problem.
You know .. you might have something here. This would certainly alert people to what the media is saying versus what the truth is. They're going to hate it - and that will make it all the more fun.
I got a letter from Rush recently stating that if we were fed up with the lying media .. we better hold on to our seat because it was going to get worse.
Personally .. I didn't think it could get any worse .. but I suspect Rush is right as usual. And .. I suspect that will happen when the dems don't regain any power in 2006 - but that's just a guess.
Earlier, I sent a message to F.R. mgt suggesting the addition of a forum for exposing slanted and omitted news stories. (I sent it via the F.R. webmaster. I couldn't find a direct e-address. I'm sure there is one, I just couldn't locate it conveniently.)
I added my observation that it was time that we made news media THE story, rather than just waiting for the fallout. I'll post back the reply from F.R.
It's an election year my friends, and as Mr. Rather can tell people, Free Republic has quite an impact on fairness and accuracy in news reporting.
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Bump.
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