Holland launches the immigrant quiz

UK Times ^ | 3/12/06 | Nicola Smith

[wagglebee]

Muslim leaders in Holland say the film is offensive. “It really is a provocation aimed to limit immigration. It has nothing to do with the rights of homosexuals. Even Dutch people don’t want to see that,” said Abdou Menebhi, the Moroccan-born director of Emcemo, an organisation that helps immigrants to settle.

I doubt it is anywhere near as offensive as the murder that Islam promotes.

I would love to see the United States adopt a similar policy.

[rbg81]

TWO MEN kissing in a park....

I guess I'd better not emigrate to Holland. I doubt they'd like my reaction.

[butternut_squash_bisque]

This'll go over like a fart in church, all right.

[rbg81]

Critics complain that people living in the mountains of Morocco or rural villages in Pakistan will not be able to make the long journey to cities for Dutch language lessons. According to Instituut Oranje, a Dutch language school, someone with a low level of education would require 250 hours of tuition, costing £1,200, to pass the tests.

Hmmm. Maybe that's the point. Why would Holland really need people from the mountains of Morocco after all?

[gondramB]

"I would love to see the United States adopt a similar policy."

I would not. The western world has to be careful how they respond to islamofacists. A test like this would quickly evolve into list of political correctness without which you can't enter the country. Real terrorists will just lie on the test..unless they hooked them up to electrodes, I suppose.



"TWO MEN kissing in a park and a topless woman bather are featured in a film that will be shown to would-be immigrants to the Netherlands.

The reactions of applicants — including Muslims — will be examined to see whether they are able to accept the country’s liberal attitudes. "

[GAB-1955]

I can see why they do it, though. It's conceivable to happen. Now, the topless women on the beach is very possible. IIRC, Holland has more nudists per capita than any other place on Earth.

[wagglebee]

For that matter, why would the United States need these people?!

[1rudeboy]

How about two women kissing in a park, then? hehe

[john drake]

It would be better if the Europeans grew some gonads again and just stated they weren't going to allow any more immigrants into their countries that aren't interested in assimilating at the least, or follow a religion that states they will overthrow your system of beliefs and laws and render you second class or dead. What's wrong with saying "no" or "no more." Huh?

[econjack]

The total bill of £1,495 — including £55 for a preparatory test pack and DVD and £240 for the exam — makes the process unaffordable for many.

I think the Dutch might be saying: "If you don't want to learn our language and culture, and if you can't afford $3,000 to accomplish that, perhaps some other country would be a better place for you."

I wish we had the guts to do it.

[wagglebee]

What's wrong with saying "no" or "no more."

Or even better, start expelling the ones who have not become citizens (although I admit I have no idea what the process to become a citizen there involves).

[Gondring]

The western world has to be careful how they respond to islamofacists. A test like this would quickly evolve into list of political correctness without which you can't enter the country. Real terrorists will just lie on the test..unless they hooked them up to electrodes, I suppose.

I believe gondramB has hit the nail on the head. This takes us back to the good ol' border thread days...if those who wish to do us harm can deny their intent and religion, what good does it do to ask? We must think deeper than the knee-jerk responses if we wish to truly defend ourselves and our way of life.

[Former Proud Canadian]

The Dutch get a spine. This is excellent news. Maybe the Canadian government can take a cue.

[econjack]

I don't think the Dutch approach is solely to limit terrorists. To me, such a test prevents the kind of mistakes Canada has gone through. To wit: The massive French immigration into Canada 50 years ago saw businesses court the immigrants with signs and ads stating "Nous parle Francais ici". This caused a greater influx, to the point where the minority started clamoring for gov't publications, road signs, and local service people (public and private) to be provided in French. The next step was to demand dual-language instruction in all public schools. See any parallels in the US? If you don't, you're blind.

Immigration by those who refuse to assimilate is going to be incredibly expensive on a number of fronts, and it's not limited to illegal immigrants. History's about to repeat itself here, and we're all asleep at the switch, especially those in Washington. Even more scary is Hillary's (and many others) willingness to not only refuse to stem the tide, but to do everything they can to encourage it because they think they can create another "beholding class" in the process.

We're in deep trouble, people, and it's not getting any better.

[Gritty]

Muslims being Muslims, why wouldn't they simply cheat on the test?

[RS]

No Problem - We've already got it covered in the visa application DS-156 -

"Do you seek to enter the United States to engage in export control violations, subversive or terrorist activities, or any other unlawful purpose? Are you a member or representative of a terrorist organization as currently designated by the U.S. Secretary of State?"

https://evisaforms.state.gov/ds156.asp?lang=1

[wagglebee]

I'm sure that many of the jihadists will cheat on the test; however, many "non-jihadist" Muslims move to Europe and it is there that they first come in contact with the militants. They begin to attend mosques where "Western hedonism" is pointed out to them, and then they too begin to share these beliefs. But these Muslims may elect to stay in their own countries if they are put-off by these images.

(I'm not sure this makes any sense, but I hope it does.)

[gondramB]

"(I'm not sure this makes any sense, but I hope it does.)"

It does make sense and is certainly a valid argument.

But consider that they already have to approve of two men kissing -it's not a big a stretch to require approval of gay marriage, support for banning "hate speech" - the rules already would exclude most American Christians.

[CzarNicky]

... and a topless woman bather are featured in a film that will be shown to would-be immigrants ...

I would have no problem with that if the woman were hot.

[The Cuban]

Exactly.