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Where are the moderate Muslims?
The Star (Chicago suburban) ^ | 03/12/2006 | MIchael Bowers , Star Columnist

Posted on 03/12/2006 9:41:54 AM PST by KeyLargo

Where are the moderate Muslims?

Sunday, March 12, 2006

Once I read that the number of Germans directly involved in the Holocaust — giving orders in Berlin, building the infrastructure of the death camps, rounding up victims, piloting trains, releasing the gas, hunting down escapees and so forth — was 100,000.

In 1939 the population of the Reich was 80 million, so slightly more than one-tenth of 1 percent of the Germans were actually involved in murdering Jews.

Yet, somehow, I never see anyone trying to clear the German volk of the guilt of the crimes of Hitler's "tiny extremist minority." No, the verdict of history is that all Germans share the burden, because all Germans let it happen.

Today, many progressives in the Western world try to explain away crimes committed in the name of Islam. A Google search for the apologetic phrase "tiny extremist minority" turns up 252,000 results. Why is not the passive Muslim majority held to the same standard as the passive German majority?

And just how tiny is this "tiny" minority anyway?

Let's look at what some of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims believe.

In 2003, Nawaf Obaid, a Saudi national security consultant, surveyed 15,000 Saudis. Nearly 50 percent supported Osama bin Laden. Last July the Pew Research Center found that 51 percent of its sample of Pakistanis place confidence in Osama, and 60 percent of Jordanians support him. Is 60 percent a tiny minority?

The Pew Center also found that in Lebanon, support for suicide bombing in defense of Islam is 39 percent of its sample, and in Jordan it's 57 percent. Is 57 percent a tiny minority?

In October 2003, the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah found that 75 percent of Palestinians in its sample supported the bombing of the Maxim restaurant in Haifa that killed 23 people, mostly Jews. Is 75 percent a tiny minority?

The London Telegraph reported in February that its ICM poll showed 40 percent of British Muslims in its sample favor applying sharia law in predominantly Muslim areas of the country. Is 40 percent a tiny minority?

In Turkey last year, a publisher issued a new $3.50 edition of "Mein Kampf." Previous editions cost $7. In the first quarter alone, the book sold more than 50,000 copies and reached the best-seller list drawn up by the D&R bookstore chain. Does a No. 5 book represent a tiny minority?

According to the Pew Center, large majorities of Muslims strongly dislike Jews in nations such as Morocco, Indonesia, Pakistan and Turkey. But it's hard to top Lebanon and Jordan, where the unfavorable rate is 99 percent. Who knew 99 percent could be a tiny minority?

A poll carried out by the London Guardian last year said 13 percent of British Muslims in the sample would support another 9-11-style attack on the United States. Another 15 percent were not sure. I wonder: Were these 15 percent really not sure, or did they simply choose to disguise their true feelings from a pollster?

The Muslim Council said the poll showed that the "overwhelming majority" of British Muslims "abhor" terrorism. That would be 72 percent opposing another 9-11, vs. 28 percent willing to consider it. There are more than 1.5 million Muslims in Britain, so 28 percent translates to 420,000 people who might be pleased to see more Americans leap out of blazing towers or definitely would be pleased to see more Americans leap out of blazing towers. I am not reassured.

A YouGov survey carried out for the London Daily Telegraph last July showed that 6 percent of British Muslims in the sample believe the 7-7 bombings were fully justified. Six percent is indeed a minority, but it's not quite a tiny one, and it's still 90,000 people, if the sample is translated to the entire target population.

Another 56 percent of British Muslims in the sample said they can understand why the bombers acted. Eighteen percent feel little or no loyalty to their country. Thirty-two percent believe "Western society is decadent and immoral" and "Muslims should seek to bring it to an end."

Seventy-three percent say they would inform the police if they knew something about a planned terrorist attack. This sounds nice, doesn't it? That "overwhelming majority" again. Until you realize it means that 27 percent of British Muslims would not inform the police of an imminent attack.

Last October a university in the conservative Turkish city of Diyarbakir released a survey on honor killings. It showed that 37 percent of the men and women in its sample believe that if a woman cheats on her husband, she should be killed. Another 21 percent would spare her life and just cut off her nose or ears.

The United Nations says there are 5,000 honor killings every year in the Muslim world. The London Guardian reported in November 2004 on a survey conducted by the Egyptian government that found that one in three women has been beaten by her husband. Eighty-six percent of the women in the sample regarded this as normal.

A large majority of women believe that refusal to have sex with their husband is grounds for a beating. In the survey reported in the London Guardian, 26 percent of women in their 20s responded they believe they deserve a beating if they burn dinner. Forty-two percent believe they deserve a beating if they spend too much money. Sixty-five percent believe they deserve a beating if they talk to another man.

I find these numbers frightening. Well-armed with facts and logic, you might be able to convince me that the "tiny extremist minority" of Islam is indeed a "minority," strictly speaking. But a "tiny" minority? I'm afraid I just don't buy it.

Send email to mbowers@starnewspapers.com.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: moderateislam; moderateterrorists; muslim; terrorism
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To: KeyLargo

He's on vacation.


21 posted on 03/12/2006 11:12:44 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: observer5; Joe Boucher
You are right. I never knew how little German citizens knew about the atrocities until I read a book named Stella by a German Jew who worked in Berlin with several hundred other educated German Jews up until 1944. This was a well-connected bunch of people and they did not know about the death camps. Their relatives had been "relocated" east, and they did not hear from them because there was a war going on.

BTW, the Stella of the title was a gorgeous Jewish woman whom he attended school with who married an SS officer and became a Jew catcher. Amazing story.

22 posted on 03/12/2006 11:20:43 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Joe Boucher

I think the percentages are way off as to how many germans killed jews "

We'll never know how many Germans (and others) killed their Jewish neighbors.
How many thugs went out and killed Jews,because they could.
How many gangs of teens killed Jews for kicks.Etc.
Nothing new under the sun.


23 posted on 03/12/2006 11:29:48 AM PST by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: KeyLargo

The Athenians would have won if they had ICBMs and nuclear submarines. :P


24 posted on 03/12/2006 11:35:33 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: ClearBlueSky

Several years ago, a Harvard PhD. candidate wrote a book as his thesis, that Germans in towns around concentration camps knew what was going on, were invited in, or brought in and made to participate in burials, but also to attend dances. There was a hugh uproar over this book, and the man in question went to Germany and appeared on various TV panels to defend it, produce documentation...which he did.


25 posted on 03/12/2006 2:19:45 PM PST by hershey
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To: butternut_squash_bisque

Exactly. CAIR is simply a wussy front for Muslims who have not the guts to stand up to Al Q, Hamas or any other so-called minority groups of Islamic extremists. When in city after city, I see mosques demanding an end to Islamofacism, when mullahs in Detroit, NY, Balt. et al call for the death of Osama et al, when all the extreme madrasses are closed and look like schools that deal with actual educational curricula, then and only then will I believe that Islam will even try to assimilate in Western society. Oh and if James Zogby actually condemns Islamofacism without a BUTMONKEY, THEN I WILL BELIEVE.


26 posted on 03/12/2006 3:02:53 PM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: observer5

Guards at the camps, train workers, military folks alone account for too many.


27 posted on 03/12/2006 3:11:49 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Pharmboy

I'll read it, thanks.


28 posted on 03/12/2006 3:12:52 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: philetus

Meanwhile the appologists say no, only a very small percentage knew. B.S.
Kristalnight alone and how many turned in their neighbors?


29 posted on 03/12/2006 3:14:50 PM PST by Joe Boucher (an enemy of islam)
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To: Joe Boucher
This is it...sorry, but I should have posted it before. It is definitely worth a read. Wyden has no agenda...he just tells the story. And again, for me, the real revelation was how little they knew.


30 posted on 03/12/2006 5:09:14 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: KeyLargo
Where are the moderate Muslims?

Out raising money for the Nutjob ones!!!

31 posted on 03/12/2006 7:14:26 PM PST by HP8753 (My cat loves watching "Girls Gone Wild")
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To: KeyLargo
Where are the moderate Muslims?

Here are two of them...


32 posted on 03/12/2006 7:54:46 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Is tractus pro pensio.)
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To: HP8753

http://www.michellemalkin.com/

WHO IS RAKAN BEN WILLIAMS?
By Michelle Malkin • March 12, 2006 11:48 PM

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Lots of readers and bloggers are buzzing about a purported "Last Warning to American People" from an "al Qaeda undercover soldier" identified as "Rakan Ben Williams."

MEMRI has the translation and details, with this preface:

On March 10, 2006, the Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF) posted, on the Islamic websites, a final warning to the American people, on behalf of "Rakan Ben Williams" who defines himself as "Al-Qaeda under cover soldier, USA [sic]."

It is not clear exactly who is behind this name. Moreover, according to a previous statement by GIMF public relations bureau director Saif Al-Din Al-Kinani on the GIMF Internet newscast Sout Al-Khilafa, GIMF is not affiliated with Al-Qaeda.

But on November 8, 2005, the London daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat reported: "The Global Islamic Media Front has threatened [the West] on the Internet by means of its new soldier, whom it calls Rakan Ben Williams, and whom it claims is a white Englishman who converted to Islam."

Also, on November 24, 2005, the GIMF posted on the Islamic websites a similar warning, under the same name, that included an explicit threat to assassinate Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, Australian Prime Minister John Howard, Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and U.S. President George W. Bush, when the time comes, with a clear mention of the possibility of doing so after they complete their current terms of office. Although this communiqué was directed to these leaders, it noted that it referred to all Western leaders, and included special mention of Berlusconi. At its conclusion, the communiqué said that it had been written by "the one who thirsts for the blood of the Crusaders, the secret soldier of Al-Qaeda, Rakan Ben Williams, Italy (the Vatican)."

In the following warning, Rakan Ben Williams warns that, unlike after the 9/11, Madrid, and London attacks, which are still being investigated, "[after] the coming attack there will be no one to analyze and investigate, because the mind and the heart will be unable to comprehend it… This will not be a single operation", the report added, "but two; one bigger than the other, but we will begin with the big one and postpone the bigger one, in order to see [how] diligent the American people is [in preserving] its life. If it chooses life, [it must] carry out the demands of the Muslims, and if it chooses death, then we are its best perpetrators." The warning appeared in Arabic and in English.

Read it all.

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Here's an excerpt of the Society for Internet Research's analysis of a November 2005 terror threat from "Rakan Ben Williams:"

In October 31st 2005, the Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF) published in Jihadi web sites an interesting threatening analysis of Al-Qaeda’s strategy in planning its attacks and choosing the operatives that carries them out.

An imaginary person writes the analysis—Rakan ben Williams—or Wilyamz, as the name mistakenly or deliberately is written. The threatening analysis is titled “The next Al-Qaeda soldier.”

We don’t know who has in fact written the message, but the name chosen for the “Jihadi super hero”—Rakan—reminds us of a legendary Islamic hero of the Middle Ages, who was born in Arabia, and fought against the Mongols in Iraq and Persia. Recently he became a hero of a Middle Eastern comic series as Rakan the “lone warrior.”

...The message was not written just for Western eyes, but for Muslim supporters of global Jihad as well. Rakan Ben Wilyamz is not only the “new secret weapon” of global Jihad, but also a model of “super-hero” for Islamic youth. The fact that the name might have been taken from a comic series, colors it with the heroism of an imaginary figure. Rakan is the Jihadi answer to Superman, Batman, and their colleagues.

There is a question of how we should react to this message. How serious is it, beside the propaganda? Do they really plan to use new Muslim converts in their future attacks, especially on Western soil? The message has lot of internal logic of a well-organized plan. The planned strategy of Al-Qaeda is also juxtaposed with the spread of the Muslim empire in the Middle Ages—from Arabia to Indonesia and Europe—through the conversion of many nations to Islam. The publication of the message by GIMF—an integral organ of global Jihad—authenticates its serious nature.

So far we have several examples of Westerners who, as Muslim converts joined Al-Qaeda, underwent trainings, and participated in terrorist attacks or attempted attacks. Several others were arrested in Afghanistan, Iraq, the United States, or Europe. Religious converts have in many cases been more radical. Moreover, Al-Qaeda has “kept its promises” very adequately, so far. Therefore, intelligence and security services and Western publics should regard the message, despite its arrogant nature, carefully, and take it seriously. The population of Western converts to Islam is not too big to handle for Western security services.

Apart from the operational implications of the message we should also note a significant rise in the intensive activity of GIMF. In addition to a growing number of new messages, articles, or written and videotaped lectures, the main apparatus of global Jihad is busy circulating old material from recent years. From time to time they publish articles that emphasize the importance of the profound indoctrination of Muslim youngsters by Al-Qaeda—“the organization, state, and university for Jihad studies,” as published in an article by the Saudi Ahmad al-Watheq bi-Allah, deputy director of GIMF.

And here's more on the GIMF:

DUBAI: Stripped of its Afghan haven and chased across the globe, the Al-Qaeda terror network is increasingly resorting to "media jihad" four years after the September 11 attacks on the United States for which it took credit. The Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF), heir to the "Global Front for Fighting Jews and Christians" set up by Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1998, presents itself as the hub for Al-Qaeda propaganda on the Internet.

Its emergence is testament to the weight now being placed by Islamist militants on winning over minds to their cause through new media in the absence of any physical command headquarters, terror experts say.

"Unite, O Muslims of the world, behind the Global Islamic Media Front. Set up squadrons of media jihad to break Zionist control over the media and terrorize the enemies," the GIMF's "emir," who goes by the nom de guerre of "Salaheddin II," exhorts Al-Qaeda followers on the Internet.

The GIMF, is "a new base of Islamic information on the Internet. Our goal is to denounce the Zionist enemy," echoes his deputy, "Ahmad al-Watheq Billah." "The Front does not belong to anyone. It is the property of all Muslims and knows no geographical boundaries. All IT and communication experts, producers and photographers ... are welcome to join," he writes...

...The Front recently posted a so-called "Top Ten" of bloody attacks against U.S. forces carried out by the Islamic Army in Iraq and the Al-Qaeda Organization in the Land of Two Rivers, the group of Al-Qaeda's frontman in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

The 17-minute video is aimed at "those who like to see American crusader blood flowing," the GIMF said.

One segment showed American soldiers' bodies torn to pieces in an attack near the Syrian border that was claimed by Zarqawi's outfit.

Another scene showed seven U.S. soldiers whose bodies were pulverized in a land mine explosion, before other U.S. soldiers came to collect their remains.

The Internet is also loaded with literature destined to recruit fighters and teach them the tactics of guerrilla warfare and also - primarily - how to manufacture explosives in an effort to groom lone terrorists not necessarily linked to Al-Qaeda or some local variation of the network.


33 posted on 03/13/2006 5:14:43 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo
The Internet is also loaded with literature destined to recruit fighters

Which is one of the reasons I personally think Osama is dead or so messed up they don't want anybody to see him.

If he was alive and well,There would be the multi DVD sets of him waving his AK-47 and insulting Pres. Bush.

The only "evidence" of him being alive are scratcly old audio tapes thatr nobody can say for sure are even of him.

Even after seeing a few images of the twin towers falling,Most people in flyover country don't seem to comprehend the enormity of what actually happened.

If large scale attacks kill and maim large numbers of American people in many different places,The little Jihadis will not be able to comprehend the results that take place as a result.

One of those results IMHO will be the destruction of the Democrat Party as we know it.

They are the ones that keep saying that the terrorism threat is overblown.

The other result will be that there will be a line drawn in the sand and "Every" country in the world will be told to get on one side or the other.

We will no longer tolerate "anybody" even appearing to straddle the fence.

34 posted on 03/13/2006 5:57:11 PM PST by HP8753 (My cat loves watching "Girls Gone Wild")
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