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To: aynrandfreak
While 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia and 20% admitted sypathy with 7/7, it's important to remember that plenty of Muslims don't agree with them and just as plenty of non-Orthodox Jews who eat pork, and plenty of non-Fundamentalist Christians who don't agree with the idea that only Christians are saved, there are plenty of Muslims who aren't out to kill infidels and just want to live their lives in peace and prosperity. Even if killing and subjugating infidels is integral to Islam for the sake of argument (I'm not convinced it has to be or is), it does not follow that every Muslim wants to kill or subjugate infidels.
23 posted on 03/12/2006 7:06:37 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: Question_Assumptions
there are plenty of Muslims who aren't out to kill infidels and just want to live their lives in peace and prosperity.

Haven't heard a peep from them.

30 posted on 03/12/2006 7:17:04 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Question_Assumptions

"it does not follow that every Muslim wants to kill or subjugate infidels."

True. But every muslim supports every other muslim, including the estimated 130,000,000 who identify themselves as islamists and who are open about their desire to kill all Jews, Christians and other infidels. A muslims first allegiance is to islam not the US or the UK or wherever they happen to live.


37 posted on 03/12/2006 7:29:06 AM PST by RouxStir (Mohammed is THE BOMB!)
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To: Question_Assumptions
While 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia and 20% admitted sypathy with 7/7, it's important to remember that plenty of Muslims don't agree with them

You are posting that 60 percent of muslims advocate violence, since Sharia law IS violent and requires the killing of anyone who does not convert, but at the same time you are saying this is no cause for Brits to worry!

It doesn't matter if you "believe" that islam requires all non believers to covert or die, it is the truth. You can't change the truth by not believing it, though many left wing dummies think they can.

If 60 percent of muslims(in UK) think killing non muslims is a good thing, then there is a HUGE problem there for the Brits. Your reasoning is faulty and in line with the NY times.

46 posted on 03/12/2006 7:39:56 AM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind and, BTW, Stå sammen med danskerne !)
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To: Question_Assumptions
[ Even if killing and subjugating infidels is integral to Islam for the sake of argument (I'm not convinced it has to be or is), it does not follow that every Muslim wants to kill or subjugate infidels. ]

Not every muslim wants to bomb the infidels only the good muslims do according to Qu'ranic and hadithic teachings(dogma)..

The rest or bad muslims are simply TIME BOMBS or enablers..

48 posted on 03/12/2006 7:43:30 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Question_Assumptions

You sure don't know much about Islam, do you.
ALL (read ALL) Muslims are bound to practice Jihad. You don't have to go out and kill infidels to practice jihad, it has many forms. Anything to forward the cause of Islam in the Infidels lands is Jihad. Political activities- using the infidels own laws to advance Islamic "rights" in their lands, becoming educators, brainwash the infidel's youth. providing support for more agresive Jihadists, a safe house for them to stay, providing funds, ANYTHING you can imagine which will one day make Islam triumph in the land of infidels. many Muslims believe the time is not right for the more agressive jihad. Another hundred years and many western countries will be under the political control of Muslim politicians anyways, without a shot fired.


54 posted on 03/12/2006 8:04:04 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Question_Assumptions
"it does not follow that every Muslim wants to kill or subjugate infidels."

Every Muslim who follows the commands of Mohammad does.

"Fight the unbelievers in your surroundings, and let them find harshness in you." (9:123)

"Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them, capture and besiege them and prepare for them every kind of ambush." (9:5)

'O Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and hypocrites and deal rigorously with them; their home shall be Hell' (IX.73).

'O believers, fight the infidels who dwell around you, and deal rigorously with them' (IX.124).

'Do not yield to unbelievers, but strive against them in a strenuous Jihad' (XXV.54).

'Fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to Him' (XXII.77).

'Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah with your wealth and your person's (IX.41).

'Fight against the (idolaters) until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme' (II.189 and VIII.40).

'Fighting is obligatory for you, and you dislike it. But you may dislike a thing although it is good for you, and love a thing although it is bad for you' (II.212).

'Allah loves those who fight for His cause' (I.XI.4).

'The true believers are those...who fight for His cause with their wealth and their persons' (XLIX.15).

'When you meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks; ' (XLVII.4).

'Allah has given those that fight with their goods and their persons a higher rank than those who stay at home. He has promised all a good reward, but far richer is the recompense of those who fight for Him; rank of His own bestowal, forgiveness and mercy' (IV. 97).

'Those who...fought in the path of God have the hope of the mercy of God...' (II.215).

'Those that . . . fought and died for My cause shall be forgiven their sins and admitted to gardens watered by running streams...' (III.194).

'As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish...He will admit them to the Paradise' (XLVII.5).
67 posted on 03/12/2006 10:39:29 AM PST by Ninian Dryhope ("Bush lied, people dyed. Their fingers." The inestimable Mark Steyn)
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To: Question_Assumptions

" it does not follow that every Muslim wants to kill or subjugate infidels."

But they don't mind it going on either!!!

Where are the protests?


70 posted on 03/12/2006 10:48:40 AM PST by observer5 ("Better violate the rights of a few, than of all!)
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To: Question_Assumptions
there are plenty of Muslims who aren't out to kill infidels and just want to live their lives in peace and prosperity.

They are called heretics. And that is why they get killed right along with the infidels, by the Muslims who follow the religion as written. - tom

94 posted on 03/12/2006 2:18:01 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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