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Defenders of the Faith: Why Europe's Muslims should be grateful for Europe's atheists (BARF)
nytimes.com ^ | March 12, 2006 | SLAVOJ ZIZEK

Posted on 03/12/2006 12:30:32 AM PST by Proctor

Defenders of the Faith: Why Europe's Muslims should be grateful for Europe's atheists

By SLAVOJ ZIZEK
Published: March 12, 2006

London

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What about restoring the dignity of atheism, one of Europe's greatest legacies and perhaps our only chance for peace?

More than a century ago, in "The Brothers Karamazov" and other works, Dostoyevsky warned against the dangers of godless moral nihilism, arguing in essence that if God doesn't exist, then everything is permitted. The French philosopher André Glucksmann even applied Dostoyevsky's critique of godless nihilism to 9/11, as the title of his book, "Dostoyevsky in Manhattan," suggests.

This argument couldn't have been more wrong: the lesson of today's terrorism is that if God exists, then everything, including blowing up thousands of innocent bystanders, is permitted — at least to those who claim to act directly on behalf of God, since, clearly, a direct link to God justifies the violation of any merely human constraints and considerations.

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Atheism is a European legacy worth fighting for, not least because it creates a safe public space for believers. Consider the debate that raged in Ljubljana, the capital of Slovenia, my home country, as the constitutional controversy simmered: should Muslims (mostly immigrant workers from the old Yugoslav republics) be allowed to build a mosque? While conservatives opposed the mosque for cultural, political and even architectural reasons, the liberal weekly journal Mladina was consistently outspoken in its support for the mosque, in keeping with its concern for the rights of those from other former Yugoslav republics.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atheism; europe; godlessagenda; islam
Yea, because we all saw how tolerant the last atheist regimes were in Europe.

The only two European nations to stand up to Muslims have been hammered down by Europe (Cyprus and Serbia).

In Greece, native Muslims thrive - in Turkey the native Christian community is near extinction.

1 posted on 03/12/2006 12:30:37 AM PST by Proctor
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To: A. Pole

bump


2 posted on 03/12/2006 12:31:32 AM PST by Proctor (http://www.historyofjihad.org)
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To: Proctor

NY Times should be renamed to Dhimmi Times


3 posted on 03/12/2006 12:33:18 AM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
SLAVOJ ZIZEK--read his profile on Wikipedia for an immediate BARF alert.

We all know how well the great atheist regimes (Albania, Soviet Union, Red China) have worked out.

He apparently is enthralled with the sound of his own wanking.

Perhaps he could get a *real* job?

Cheers!

4 posted on 03/12/2006 12:38:32 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Proctor

Precisely the sort of smug, self-regarding, pseudo-intellectual who will invite with an idiot grin of half-baked tolerance and semi-concealed racial and cultural condescension the exponents of the Religion of Peace to settle, apologize when they insititute Sharia, express alarm (too late) when they begin killing, and end up with his head on a pike. In an earlier epoch they were called Useful Idiots; now they're called Dhimmis. Whatever - a fool by any other name...


5 posted on 03/12/2006 12:49:44 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Proctor

"Dostoyevsky warned against the dangers of godless moral nihilism, arguing in essence that if God doesn't exist, then everything is permitted. This argument couldn't have been more wrong"

How has this been proven wrong? I think we're seeing more and more how it is proving to be the correct assertion. Europe is weak, and it has few beliefs so firmly entrenched that it can stand united against a determined foe. The same goes for our country. Faith creates resolve, and it strengthens a people.


6 posted on 03/12/2006 1:20:52 AM PST by CheyennePress
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Further, one need only visit France to see that nihilism is all too alive and well for comfort. I never heard so many people complaining that life had no point, anyway, as I did when I studied in Paris.


7 posted on 03/12/2006 1:22:39 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: Proctor

Flush atheism.


8 posted on 03/12/2006 1:42:20 AM PST by John Anderson
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To: Proctor

bump


9 posted on 03/12/2006 1:46:14 AM PST by VOA
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To: Proctor

Atheists and secularists are defacto Dhimmi.


10 posted on 03/12/2006 2:59:49 AM PST by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: Proctor

Nature abhors a vacuum. And atheism is a vacuum into which some kind of fanaticism will flow to the disenchanted.


11 posted on 03/12/2006 3:15:34 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Proctor

Atheism is the highest form of arrogance.


12 posted on 03/12/2006 3:31:19 AM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides & they've sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Proctor
David Hume, a believer, made this point in a very poignant way, when he wrote that the only way to show true respect for God is to act morally while ignoring God's existence.

Or worrying about going to Heaven or Hell, I would add. That line of argument has confused more than one door-to-door missionary that I've run into who was selling Christianity pretty much only in terms of "join our religion and you get to go to Heaven".

That said, I think the real problem lies not in atheism or religion but in fanaticism. There are certainly atheist fundamentalists who are violently anti-religious (see China).

13 posted on 03/12/2006 5:56:41 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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As an atheist, I am appaled by Zizek's suicidal defense of Islamism. This men is a pathetic remnant of an ideology which have gone extinct decades ago.


14 posted on 03/12/2006 8:04:33 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Creationism Is Not Conservative!)
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To: Proctor
Atheists are like little children with their eyes closed and their hands over their ears shouting,"I don't see you, I don't hear you!!!" To claim that there is no God and to use it as a cornerstone philosophy to live ones life is pointless. If there were no God then His nonexistence is irrelevant. Why claim to be an atheist? Why so much effort to disprove a negative?I am sure God is amused by His childrens silliness...
15 posted on 03/12/2006 8:13:24 AM PST by FreeLuna
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