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As to this tripe of an article - I don't demonize gays. I don't care what your lifestyle is, none of my darn business what you do in your bedroom.

I DO care about eroding some simple things that we as a society have come to commonly value for the sake of a few others who don't have those same values.

My best friends are gay, and are pretty cool folks. I am cool with them and their lifestyle, it is america afterall and we have the freedom to be ourselves. But when you complain about myself and my beliefs and how they play into politics (ie, those evil christians are injecting their values into things) and then proceed to do the same thing yourself don't come crying to me.

WWJD? Here's a hint - read the Book of Revelation, 2 Peter, and more. Jesus hates my sin as much as yours - the only difference is I am not trying to justify my sinful life, I know I s*ck and my life is fraught with sinful ways. My goal is to change myself to fit his values and example, not to change the rules to fit my life.

I am no better in the sin dept, I am, however - I hope, better in the 'I know I am sinner and want to change for the Lord' dept.

1 posted on 03/11/2006 9:55:20 PM PST by ChessMan
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Well put.


2 posted on 03/11/2006 9:56:43 PM PST by The Worthless Miracle ("Better put some ice on that")
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"for instance, points out the way conservative Christians have "moved the goalposts" on gays, first saying they were destroying the institution of marriage for wanting to wear leather pants, dance shirtless in clubs and have promiscuous sex; and yet when gays wanted to get married, move to the suburbs and start families, that was destroying marriage."
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This is such utter nonesense. For a Christian, marriage is between and Man and and Woman...period. For this idiot to think that a Christian should approve of two men marrying and raising a family because that is better than a hot wild time in a bar....its laughable...what an idiot... and what a staw man he has constructed...(ok a lace man).

The author is a moron....and he does not have a clue as to what Christianity is about...


4 posted on 03/11/2006 10:08:26 PM PST by fizziwig (Democrats: so far off the path, so incredibly vicious, so sadly pathetic.)
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To: ChessMan
I am no better in the sin dept, I am, however - I hope, better in the 'I know I am sinner and want to change for the Lord' dept.

Personally, I find it difficult to resolve why someone more aware of their sin should be any more accountable than the conditioned, predictable, gang-minded individuals that make up the great majority of the human race. Those lacking passion for truth or enlightenment have chosen their ignorance.

Or have they?

In most cases it's a simple case of arrested maturity - the causes of which are grand, dark, and ludacris.... Evil.

5 posted on 03/11/2006 10:09:34 PM PST by SteveMcKing
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I seriously doubt the libs are going to take this advice.

Taylor would do well to include a bit of this balance rather than paint such a crude picture of a nuanced and varied religion.

This is a common mistake made by the left when dealing with Christianity. Christianity is not all that nuanced. In fact, it's pretty straightforward.
7 posted on 03/11/2006 10:14:36 PM PST by JamesP81
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Of course, gender and sexual orientation are complicated enough to have whole fields of study devoted to them, so we should be careful in applying our contemporary notions of homosexuality to animals, something which the film makes clear. But, the simple observation that there are animals that will pair bond with members of the same sex or will only engage sexually with the same sex has clear social implications. This point is not lost in "Freak of Nature," which includes commentary from historians, biologists, psychiatrists and social critics along with interviews of many laypeople.

The film has great potential as a thought-provoking conversation starter, which problemizes a lot of what the religious right, in particular, says about homosexuality.

No it doesn't...it just says something about the author's assumptions...and essentially his religion, although it's highly unlikely he realizes it. What he's suggesting here is that if homosexual behavior occurs amongst some animals then it must be ok for humans...which is simply ignorant.

Social critic and advice columnist Dan Savage, for instance, points out the way conservative Christians have "moved the goalposts" on gays, first saying they were destroying the institution of marriage for wanting to wear leather pants, dance shirtless in clubs and have promiscuous sex;

This is a pretty stupid statement as well. I'm not aware of any Christians that have stated that wearing leather pants or dancing shirtless in clubs affects marriage in any fashion. As for promiscuous sex...yes, that is quite harmful to marriages...rather it is heterosexual or homosexual promiscuity. If the filmmaker is unable to even conceive of how a Christian might see sexual promiscuity as risking harm to marriages then he's really not a very good filmmaker and an even worse "social critic" if he's unable to step away from his preconceived notions and picture the views of others. Also, there is no moving of "goal posts" as he claims...unless he means he's rejected morality initially, and when it remains he perceives that as a new goal post.

The film's potential is lost, however, at the point when the question is broached of why we are so uncomfortable about homosexuality in America. In a totally unsophisticated manner, Taylor presents a several-minute montage of laypeople lambasting Christianity, culminating with Dan Savage calling the religion "bullshit" that was made up by "some guy in a desert a few thousand years ago."

Ah, the words of an objective social critic there. The author of this article understands the film maker, Dan Savage, employs an inaccurate and unsophisticated view of Christians...but instead of educating Dan Savage he seems more concerned in just disguising the film makers idiocy.

9 posted on 03/11/2006 10:19:50 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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But, the simple observation that there are animals that will pair bond with members of the same sex or will only engage sexually with the same sex has clear social implications.

I am not an animal. I am a man.

This article and the subject matter is pure unadulterated bullshit.

I have two male dogs, both "fixed". One will try to hump the other one on occasion. You see, they are DOGS. I am not a dog, I am a man.

Pffffft!....what a bunch of looney crap this article is.

FMCDH(BITS)

12 posted on 03/11/2006 10:25:15 PM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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As to what folks do in society is one thing - and we should be concerned with the moral relativism plaguing our society deeper and deeper. To ask WWJD? is a non-starter. The Bible teaches us not to judge others with the exception of behavior within the church. Those judgements forced me to leave the United Methodist movement because they did not follow Scripture and bowed under to societal pressure. All I really care about is not having my 3-year-old daughter subjected to this moral relativism tripe presented as fact. If I choose not to accept one's lifestyle then let it be what it is. It doesn't mean I hate them or anyone else. The author presupposes too many things here.


14 posted on 03/11/2006 10:32:15 PM PST by kpbruinfan ("Try as they might, they cannot steal your dreams." - Neil Peart)
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WWBBD?


15 posted on 03/11/2006 10:38:05 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken.)
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One thing Jesus did, that most liberals don't like to do, is read and believe God's laws of sexual behavior from the oldest parts of Scripture--the things that apply to Jews and non-Jews alike, priests and non-priests alike. Laws without loopholes, and for every human being.


18 posted on 03/11/2006 10:44:01 PM PST by RBMN
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Welcome to "Free Republic", I suppose. Been here three days now, I see.


19 posted on 03/11/2006 10:57:56 PM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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The film showcased many species, from penguins to sheep, in which same-sex partnerships...

Let the Brokeback jokes flow!

20 posted on 03/11/2006 10:59:20 PM PST by JAWs (Ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed. Der er intet men.)
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Very well said. I won't "demonize" gay folks either. My son is gay and we agree on the fact that there are some issues backed by "gay activists" that are just not good for humanity in general.

We also have noticed how a "double standard" immediately comes into play when "gay rights" are the issue.
21 posted on 03/11/2006 11:00:00 PM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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WWJD? Who Wants Jack Daniels?

Heck... I do.


22 posted on 03/11/2006 11:01:22 PM PST by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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"...yet when gays wanted to get married, move to the suburbs and start families..."

Start families? That's impossible!

When the Lord knocks and IF you answer, He wants you to repent and receive Him as your Lord. However, He knows you're human and will have short-comings, but you repent and keep working on changing your life to conform to His ways. You don't keep sinning and think He'll understand.


23 posted on 03/11/2006 11:06:19 PM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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The film showcased many species, from penguins to sheep, in which same-sex partnerships emerge or in which individuals have been observed to only engage in sexual activities with members of the same sex.

And then there's good old interspecies dating (just ask the sheep)! < /sarc >

25 posted on 03/11/2006 11:12:20 PM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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I really don't care if my male German Shepard makes eyes at the Keith Doberman next door as long as he guards my house and doesn't crap on the rug.


26 posted on 03/11/2006 11:13:37 PM PST by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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Two of my best friends have been gay "partners" for about 8 years now. One of them is a disillusioned Christian who has pretty much lost his faith. They know I am a Christian and that I do not condone the gay lifestyle, however, they also know that I love them dearly and accept them just as they are. They have been great friends to me and even took me in and supported me when I needed some help. They are not radical in their lifestyle and are even opposed to some of the goals set forth by the gay community. I figure that they have to decide how to live their lives the same as I do and we all have to answer to God for our decisions. After the life I've led I have no room to judge them, but only to love them, as Jesus does.


30 posted on 03/11/2006 11:44:02 PM PST by moonpie57 (Fred Howell McMurray, Jr. The man on my POW bracelet.)
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Progressives need to stop thinking of Christianity as something against to battle against.

This article's not ready for publication yet.

33 posted on 03/12/2006 2:26:51 AM PST by Rudder
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My goal is to change myself to fit his values and example, not to change the rules to fit my life.

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And there you have it. If the behavior of those in the animal kingdom were guidelines for human activity we would all be out killing and eating each other. Suffice it that some among us have acceded to the ethics of red in tooth and claw.
I have not noticed even one critter on Wild Kingdom espousing the ethics of Jesus, or any other religious icon for that matter. I have no doubt that sexual deviance exists in the animal kingdom. Isn't that why they call it deviant?


34 posted on 03/12/2006 4:24:09 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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focus on the values of compassion and love...

Is it compassionate and loving to remain silent when you know someone is perishing?

If a person has an illness from which he will die, and I know what the only medicine is that will cure him, and I don't tell him for fear he won't want the medicine, am I compassionate? Am I loving?

No, we are not to judge, but neither are we to let people die in their sins without at least attempting to tell them of the way of escape from divine judgement provided them by Christ.

35 posted on 03/12/2006 4:38:20 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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