Posted on 03/11/2006 2:50:30 PM PST by Fair Go
FIVE years after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Centre towers and the Pentagon, four years after the first Bali atrocity and three months after the Cronulla riots, it has become appallingly apparent that local police are still standing flat-footed in the face of a growing crime problem among some in Australia's own Muslim community.
It's high time the politically correct pap that spews forth after every evil global terrorist attack was ignored and real research into the underlying philosophy driving the radical fringe, and its supporters and financiers, was undertaken.
A good first step would be to reject the claims of all those who continue to spuriously argue that the West was in some way wholly responsible for the rise of militant Islam and deserving of terrorism. It is not, as even Osama bin Laden acknowledges.
The roots for this evil can be found within extremist strands of Islam such as the Wahabism followed by bin Laden, which takes as its inspiration a literal reading of the Koran and the sharia law derived from its teachings.
This also inspires groups such as Hizb ut-Tahrir, which has a branch in Sydney and works to reinstate the Islamic empire of the caliphate through a global jihad.
In the past few days, senior NSW police and Police Minister Carl Scully have bemoaned the lack of co-operation investigators have received from members of a community formerly described as being "of Middle Eastern appearance".
These people are now described as "Arabic", in a clumsy, if politically correct, attempt to avoid describing the alleged perpetrators as Islamic.
But it is well documented that the thugs who took part in the initial attacks on Cronulla beach were Muslim. Those who participated in the subsequent reprisal raids after the well-publicised riots met outside the Lakemba mosque before taking their convoy of violence to Maroubra and other beachside suburbs.
For decades, the multiculturalist policies of Gough Whitlam's Labor government and Malcolm Fraser's Liberal government, and their successors, encouraged and funded migrant groups to retain their particular cultures and refrain from assimilation.
Although most migrant groups actively embraced the broader Australian culture, it's obvious to all that the focus of Islamic communities on their mosques meant there was minimal cross-cultural contact.
It is now just as obvious that many senior religious leaders discouraged members of their communities from associating with people in the wider community.
Indeed, there is ample evidence that leaders – including Keysar Trad and the Mufti, Sheik Taj Eldeen Alhilaly – for many years preached hatred and contempt for Australian society. They based their sermons and lectures on their readings of the Koran.
Logically, that would seem to give the lie to those well-meaning souls who rush to praise Islam as a religion of tolerance and love after every terrorist attack.
Whenever crimes or acts of terror are committed in the name of Islam, we are again told that the religion is essentially one of peace that teaches respect for the rights of all.
As it happens, the Koran, particularly in verses found in Sura 9, provides numerous invitations for Muslims to visit violence upon Jews, Christians and non-Muslims in general.
It is an unfortunate reality that these verses are still read with enthusiastic approval in mosques throughout Australia and the rest of the world.
Scholarly studies of the Koran have been made by academics and theologians, but there are few within intelligence organisations or law-enforcement agencies with any great knowledge of Islam.
The exceptions are a few officers in the ranks of the Australian Federal Police who have had to undertake studies of the Koran to confront terrorists inspired by the fundamentalist teachings of Jemaah Islamiah in Indonesia and the Philippines.
Muslims are taught that the Koran is the word of God, revealed through Mohammed, but its Arabic version can seem to be poetically ambiguous.
Most serious scholars seem to agree that informed readings would indicate God wasn't beyond changing his mind – a trait noticed by some of Mohammed's contemporaries – and, on occasion, even issuing views contradicting his earlier statements.
A handful of Muslims around the world have called for greater examination of the Koran and for a reformation like the one that modernised the Christian church in Europe during the 16th century, but they have been vilified by many of their fellows.
The political correctness permeating the liberal-arts community has prevented thorough studies of Islam, but courageous theologians and scholars are exploring the topic.
They must be joined by members of intelligence and law-enforcement agencies if the West is to understand the motivation for terrorism and combat those who are using Western liberal democracies' overly indulgent multiculturalism policies as shields for their criminal acts.
It's not enough for the West to ask Muslims, from Iraq to Cronulla, to become part of the solution. It should also be asking why so many are demonstrably not interested in bringing criminals to justice and working for peace.
"Islam" is an antonym to "Study," as it is also an antonym to "Scholar."
"... so I don't think anyone is planning on a worldwide religious war that will exterminate 20% of the earth's population. "
Reading the threads here it appears that there are quite a few fools who believe that it would be a good idea.
" If Mr. And Mrs. Moderate Muslim tire of hearing their faith disparaged, perhaps they need to rethink their role as enablers."
Just why would Mr. & Mrs. Moderate Muslim, who you have already villanized as enablers, want to poke their heads up ?
Besides your own accusation of some sort of guilt, there are others here who have advocated the expulsion of U.S. born Citizens, simply because of their religion.
Some fools here have actually nade statements to the effect that " They can't be REAL Muslims, since REAL Muslims want to kill infidels". How and why would moderates want to join with people who are so blockheaded ?
Your own "...obviously pathological behavior gripping 1.3 billion people. " shows that you have no concept whatsoever of what would happen in the world if your statement were true.
How about you go away and do some reading before you judge others as fools. People appeased Adolph Hitler and there was a global war. Hilter was not stopped until people such as Churchill ended the appeasement. Terrorism has thrived for more than 30 years because, as some worthy scholars have pointed out, terrorists get their way as the west (and Europe in particular), gives in to them. In fact leftist regimes such as West Germany under Willie Brandt, were happy to release murdering terrorists. It seems that you, unlike the people in this thread, would continue the appeasment upon which terrorism breeds. And if there are moderate Muslims out there, it is time they spoke up and disassociated themselves from advocates of jihad. End of story.
"How about you go away and do some reading before you judge others as fools."
Pretty easy to prove someone a fool when they present themselves as the authority as to who belongs to some other religion.
You don't give in to terrorists, you dispose of them, fools don't identify their targets first.
"And if there are moderate Muslims out there, it is time they spoke up and disassociated themselves from advocates of jihad"
... and you will protect them from the terrorists ? Many fools here have even advocated the expulsion of American Citizens based soley on their religion.
I don't blame them for keeping their heads down and at the same time applaud the over 4000 Muslims who have chosen to serve in our military.
I am not sure what you are trying to prove but I am not going to argue any further. ANY RELIGION, MUSLIM OR OTHERWISE, THAT ENDORSES SUICIDE BOMBING, THE KILLING OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS SUCH AS IN 9/11 AND BALI, IS WRONG AND ANY MEMBER OF THAT RELIGION WHO FAILS TO DISASSOCIATE THEMSELVES FROM SUCH ATROCITIES IS A THREAT TO HUMANITY. If you want to argue otherwise, find someone else because you are not going to convince me.
And people in Nazi Germany lived next to the death camps and remained silent. I suppose they should have been applauded too!!!
LOL - Not going to argue, just yell out a pronouncement
( part of your Imam training, I guess )
Y'know, your way of thinking might have merit, if you are in a country not based on individual freedom.
Maybe that will play in Austrailia.
"And people in Nazi Germany lived next to the death camps and remained silent. I suppose they should have been applauded too!!!"
Just what does one have to do with the other ?
I suppose you think that all Germans should be considered guilty ? Along with the many thousands of German, Italian, and Japanese that served in our ( meaning U.S. ) armed forces ?
Until we get off our oil dependacy, ALL of us are, as you so quaintly put it, "Sucklin' of a saudi tit".
Perhaps you would find no problem giving Bin Laden exactly what he wanted in terms of a world-wide religious war, but I'm not ready to surrender that to him... are you ?
Has your Imam brain-washed you into believing that Ahlah's will is to be served by spilling the blood of billions of innocents ?
Where do you stand, in regards to the islamic threat to the Western civilization?
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"Honest discussion in regards to the T R U E nature of islam."
... and just what authority are we to use as to the T R U E nature of Islam ?
Just where do we find the news reports and blogs that mention the hundreds of millions of Muslims that didn't try to kill anyone last night ?
But you have started with a wrong assumption, my friend, I could care less if Islam holds any truth. Nor do I give one whit about it's nature.
My concern is that we concentrate on the fanatics involved in it and dispose of them. To do otherwise will simply bog us down in social and economic conflicts that will keep us from accomplishing our goals.
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You owe me a keyboard, I spit my cofee out laughing at your "without remorse" threat -
LOL ... Oh Please don't throw me in that briar patch !
LOL - c'mon, you can't be that foolish -
"There in lies your inability to confront the issue, which you so routinely defend, without understanding."
Sorry, my friend, as much as you would like to give Bin Laden what he wants, Bush will rightly remain focused and will NOT turn this into a religious war.
But if you want to drag out a bunch of miss or partial quotes from the Koran, or cut'n paste from some anonymous blogs, be my guest. Just try not to be too boring.
You're assuming that after we give it to him, he'll be pleased with the result.
I believe just the opposite. I believe he grossly miscalculated. He has done incalculable damage to the Islamic cause, and the damage compounds everyday.
If there is such a thing as "moderate Muslims" they would be wise to start putting their own house in order.
Buddhists can live alongside Christians can live alongside Hindus can tolerate atheists.
Muslims have a hard time getting along with anyone. Their problem, not ours. If they won't play nice, it's time to usher them off the playground.
..Bush will rightly remain focused and will NOT turn this into a religious war...
Well, as a muslim sympathizer, I'd be worried for your safety, RS. Please, you think that B1 or 2, fails to see our demise from what seemed to be sound decisions at the end of WW2? I still support them, even when their direction fails to bring us to closure. Call me a bushbot, but the other option is to put people like you in charge of our destruction, and that can never occur.
..But if you want to drag out a bunch of miss or partial quotes from the Koran, or cut'n paste from some anonymous blogs, be my guest...
Yeah, those things you so routinely ignore AT THE DEMISE OF OTHERS...like dead Americans...dead US soldiers...dead Jews...dead shiites...dead...aw hell....RS needs to squeeze his blood filled koran. I see you wahabbi logic quite well.
"Just try not to be too boring."
Famous quote from RS's wahabbi wife.
That was my line - he just screwed up and didn't quote it.
Bin Laden wanted (wants) to be the match that starts the world-wide war that he feels Alah win allow the Muslims to win. His miscalculation is that it did NOT become the conflagration he expected.
Many here want to throw gas on the fire, even to the point where Natural-Born Americans should be stripped of their citizenship and expelled because of their religion. THIS could very well give Bin Laden the fire he wants.
There are 3 million Muslims in this country, and the incidents involving them are less then a single night of the Rodney King riots, so just how is it that they are not playing nicely ?
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