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Germany to outlaw the Qur'an? (interesting development)
Jihadwatch.org (Dhimmiwatch) ^ | 3/11/2006 | Rebecca Bynum

Posted on 03/11/2006 6:15:53 AM PST by Dark Skies

A translation of this Jyllands Posten article, "The Quran reported to the Police" is here, with thanks to all who sent this in.

A broad alliance of grass-roots movements have gone to the prosecutors of several states to hinder the dissemination of the Quran. According to the indictment, the Quran is not just a religious and historic book, but also a political book, which is incompatible with the constiution.

At the prosecutor’s office at Gorch-Forck-Wall 15 in Hamburg, an unusual letter was received Monday morning, containing an indictment filed this weekend. The indictment targeted the Quran, charging that the holy book of the Moslems, according to the accuser, is incompatible with the German constitution.

The accuser is “Bundesverband der Bürgerbewegungen (BVB)”, which concerns itself with, in its own words, “defending basic rights and freedoms” against Islam. The extensive international furore, allegedly caused by the Muhammed cartoons, has made clear the relevancy of the alliance. Its homepage is decorated with a Danish flag with the words “Support Denmark! Defend the Free World.” superimposed on it.

The indictment has been filed in several states, including Hamburg, Niedersachsen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Bayern and probably more.

In several talkshows on German TV, conservative politicians have pointed out that the Quran is incompatible with the German constitution. The Turkish-born writer Serap Cileli said on January 29 this year that “the Quran must be considered a historic document. It is not compatible with our constitution and Human Rights.”

Now the alliance wants the matter tried at the courts.

Potent Political Book

The author of the indictment in Hamburg, Jutta Starke, says that the Quran was reported to the police two or three years ago, but that the report was dismissed on the grounds that it was a book of only historical interest.

“The events of the last months have made clear that the Quran isn’t just a historical book, but very much a potent political book, a thing which we document extensively in the indictment,” Jutta Starke says.

She says it is a task of sisyphean dimensions to inform the media, politicians and churches of the true intentions of Islam in the enlightened world of the West.

“We are grateful to Jyllands-Posten that discussions about Islam have now become possible,” says Jutta Starke....



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: banitheretooplease; germany; infiltration; jihad; koran; muslims; quran
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To: Capt. Tom
It is a religious problem we are faced with. - tom

It's a religious FERVOR we are faced with...but it has been stoked and misdirected by those with GEOPOLITICAL ends.
21 posted on 03/11/2006 6:55:50 AM PST by beezdotcom
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To: beezdotcom
It's a religious FERVOR we are faced with...but it has been stoked and misdirected by those with GEOPOLITICAL ends.

There is nothing misdirected about converting killing or subjugating non- believers in Islam. The religion hasn't changed fror day one in that regard. - tom

22 posted on 03/11/2006 6:59:18 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Wuli
Wuli wrote:
The Quran, as a document, together with the history of Islams's religious and political leaders, and the history of its most faithful advocates, are, collectively, self-indicting evidence that Islam is in fact a political-religion from which neither government, political ideology or religion can be separated without being unfaithful to Islam. This is not polemics, demogougery or mere rhetoric. Its the text and the facts and the history of Islam, past, present and future.

My compliments, Kuli, for the Free Republic "post of the day" - or week or month, for that matter.

You've answered the question, "should the Quran be banned in The West" as clearly, concisely, and plainly as it could possibly be answered.

Until the leaders of The West are willing to stand in front of their constituencies and say the same, the War with Islam may not be winnable, and those who lead us are neglecting their duties and responsibilities.

- John

23 posted on 03/11/2006 6:59:34 AM PST by Fishrrman
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To: kjo
Once freedom of the press is curtailed democracy is in real danger...

Vy true. But the rioting muslims have already forced the U.S. and U.K. into submission regarding the mohammed cartoons...looks like freedom of the press has been curtailed.

24 posted on 03/11/2006 7:09:25 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

This is ridiculous. And remember there was also a movement recently in Germany to ban the Bible. Obviously those of you who support this foolishness don't believe in freedom of speech or religion.


25 posted on 03/11/2006 7:14:39 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Dark Skies
I wonder what books the enlightened muslims would ban if they came into power.
26 posted on 03/11/2006 7:15:06 AM PST by Colorado Doug (Diversity is divisive. E. Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one))
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To: Unam Sanctam
This is ridiculous. And remember there was also a movement recently in Germany to ban the Bible. Obviously those of you who support this foolishness don't believe in freedom of speech or religion.

You are welcome to your opinion...however ridiculous it appears to some.

The issue here isn't actually outlawing the koran, but dragging it into a court of law so it can be exposed. How does that square with the efforts of rioting muslims to kill freedom of speech as it pertains to the mohammed cartoons?

27 posted on 03/11/2006 7:23:16 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Colorado Doug

bttt


28 posted on 03/11/2006 7:31:11 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Dark Skies
According to the indictment, the Quran is not just a religious and historic book, but also a political book, which is incompatible with the constiution.

Finally, someone gets it. Islam wants to rule the world, imposing its laws over other citizens. What part of that has anything to do with religion?

We will eventually outlaw Islam for the same reason we virtually outlawed Communism: they are aiming to overthrow the state. Unfortunately, millions will die before we wake up.

29 posted on 03/11/2006 7:34:17 AM PST by aculeus
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To: Unam Sanctam

"Obviously those of you who support this foolishness don't believe in freedom of speech or religion."

Islam is an oppressor of free speech and intolerate of other religions. To not oppose Islam is political and religious suicide. Islam is not compatible with democracy. Islam is not compatible with any sort of political or religious exercise beyond what only islam allows.

I oppose islam because I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of religion and islam does not. There's enough evidence to prove my point that would fill to capacity the smithsonian.

Why do you tolerate a religion that would not tolerate yours unless you are one?


30 posted on 03/11/2006 7:40:50 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Dark Skies
KOR-AN!!!
31 posted on 03/11/2006 7:41:21 AM PST by Solamente
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To: Dark Skies; Capt. Tom
The indictment is against the 200 verses of 114 suras (ED:chapters) of the Quran that are not compatible with the constitution, including demagoguery, incitement to murder, murder and mutilation, war, acceptance of thievery against infidels, meaning all non-Moslems. Verses are also pointed out where the equal rights of men and women are not upheld and where people of different faiths are oppressed.
“The unbelievers among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians): They are the vilest of all creatures.” (Sura 98:6)

According to the indictment that paragraph violates Article 4 of the Constitution and Paragraph 166 of the Penal Code.

IMHO, this banning of Q'uran will not hold up in court. It certainly wouldn't in our country. However, it does show the West exactly what we are up against.

It also shows what Dr. Sultan ran into when her al-jazeera interview was broadcast.

32 posted on 03/11/2006 7:43:04 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (OK, how bad we hurt for 2006? Who we running in 2008?)
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To: Dark Skies; Capt. Tom
The indictment is against the 200 verses of 114 suras (ED:chapters) of the Quran that are not compatible with the constitution, including demagoguery, incitement to murder, murder and mutilation, war, acceptance of thievery against infidels, meaning all non-Moslems. Verses are also pointed out where the equal rights of men and women are not upheld and where people of different faiths are oppressed.
“The unbelievers among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians): They are the vilest of all creatures.” (Sura 98:6)

According to the indictment that paragraph violates Article 4 of the Constitution and Paragraph 166 of the Penal Code.

IMHO, this banning of Q'uran will not hold up in court. It certainly wouldn't in our country. However, it does show the West exactly what we are up against.

It also shows what Dr. Sultan ran into when her al-jazeera interview was broadcast.

33 posted on 03/11/2006 7:43:34 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (OK, how bad we hurt for 2006? Who we running in 2008?)
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To: Kenny Bunk
IMHO, this banning of Q'uran will not hold up in court. It certainly wouldn't in our country. However, it does show the West exactly what we are up against.

And can you imagine the uproar when the "noble koran" is dragged into court like a common criminal...

Yee Haw!!!

34 posted on 03/11/2006 7:46:56 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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To: Dark Skies

bump


35 posted on 03/11/2006 7:47:15 AM PST by VOA
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To: Solamente
KOR-AN!!!

Great picture of Colonel Klink but he has the wrong finger prominently displayed!

36 posted on 03/11/2006 7:47:17 AM PST by ExSES (the "bottom-line")
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To: aculeus
the same reason we virtually outlawed Communism

The party wasn't outlawed, merely forced to take over the demonRAT party to use as their cover.

37 posted on 03/11/2006 7:48:14 AM PST by ASA Vet (Those who talk don't know, those who know don't talk.)
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To: Dark Skies

Is this for real??? Germany is pissed... and on the march.... could be fun!!


38 posted on 03/11/2006 7:48:18 AM PST by Porterville (Sure are a lot of these few Muslim Extremist Fanatics)
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To: Dark Skies; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado
Kewl! If they can ban the Nazi's and promoting their ideology in Germany, the koran and islam surely fits into the same category.

Islam, is arabian fascism, a political system masquerading as a religion, and the koran its manifesto for war and territorial expansion... conquest by the sword.

39 posted on 03/11/2006 7:48:23 AM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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To: USF
Islam, is arabian fascism, a political system masquerading as a religion, and the koran its manifesto for war and territorial expansion... conquest by the sword.

I hope it is "mohammed on parade"...in his skivvies. Heh, heh.

40 posted on 03/11/2006 7:51:19 AM PST by Dark Skies ("A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants." -- Churchill)
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