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Martinsville High School Student Chokes to Death at School (Teacher prevented 911 call)
WISH Channel 8 TV ^ | 3/10/06

Posted on 03/10/2006 8:43:53 PM PST by Samwise

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To: Toby06
It is for the police to decide if she obstructed life saving treatment for the kid by mindlessly enforcing a cell phone rule during the emergency.

Lots of calls got through from the kids to 911, but when? If you read the article, Toby, you will see it does not say when the calls came in and when this kid tried to make his call. Was this kid's call earlier in the process? Minutes make the difference between life and death in such emergencies. The teacher's actions, if found to be as portrayed in this article, were so brainless and negligent, it should be criminally investigated. In addition, if it is found that she actually did this stupid action during an emergency, she should be removed from her job because she is a danger to the kids.
101 posted on 03/11/2006 6:56:05 AM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Fred Hayek
wow Here in holland things are more relax. You can even find people smoking joints (outside) during lunchbreaks. Although there was a kid at my school that sold illegal fireworks in lunchbreaks and i tought that went to far, they where avalanche arrows and nitrate bombs, heavy stuff and he had a backpack filled with it. Nobody ever cared though, not even the teacher standing a few meters from him checking whether anything inappropriate was occuring in the halls :). The only time he got into trouble was when he blew up a refrigerator with a nitrate bomb that someone left outside a house near school! The guy who lived there sure was pissed and the kid got punishment from the coordinator: he and his friends had to stay on the 1st floor during lunchbreaks where he couldnt cause trouble, for the duration of a month or so. He probably got of easy cause he delivered illegaly copied software to that coordinator.
Yes Dutch schools sure are different from american. But we weren't taught Heimlich either, unfortunately.
102 posted on 03/11/2006 7:00:41 AM PST by S0122017 (Ping Ping Ping MUHAHAHAHA Ping Ping Ping)
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To: sageb1
And no one used Heimlich?

I was eating lunch in the office with 4 other adults one day and I started choking on a piece of chicken. I couldn't talk and all I could do was make hand signals at my throat. Everyone just looked at me with weird looks. I could not believe that 4 intelligent adults couldn't see I was choking!

After what seemed like an eternity, I could feel that I was about to pass out and I grabbed a chair and started trying to do the Heimlich on myself. It was then that it clicked in one of the guy's heads that I was choking and he ran over and practically lifted me off the ground and I hurled a large piece of chicken across the room. (I ended up having to go into emergency surgery because the large jagged half of a wishbone had embedded itself in my esophagus)

I would never have believed that an intelligent adult could watch a person choke to death and not realize what was happening, but I'm a believer now.

103 posted on 03/11/2006 7:00:59 AM PST by Elyse
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To: Elyse

I remember when a little girl drowned near a beach that was filled with people. I think I remember that many did notice, but they all figured someone else was going to rescue her.

See? IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DONE DO IT YOURSELVE PEOPLE!


104 posted on 03/11/2006 7:06:32 AM PST by S0122017 (Ping Ping Ping MUHAHAHAHA Ping Ping Ping)
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To: kenth

That particular case was at Caney Creek High School in Texas. Boyfriend loaning the inhaler was suspended, never went back to school - in fact was homeschooled after that. Boyfriend and girlfriend were on identical prescriptions of albuterol.

Link to the school bus case:

http://www.law.suffolk.edu/faculty/addinfo/blumenson/OneStrike.pdf

Article mentions the case as well as other zero tolerance/zero intelligence idiocies.

I got the ages wrong, the girl who loaned the inhaler was 12.

If I was one of the parents in these cases, I'd be going ballistic. This teaches kids that anyone on the goobermint payroll is a (censored) idiot. A clusterbleep.


105 posted on 03/11/2006 7:14:15 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: S0122017

Do you also have school choice in the Netherlands like in Belgium? John Stossel had a special TV program on education and mediocrity in the United States, showing the teachers' union militant resistance to school choice. One thing that Stossel had shown however was that in the Belgian system, the education budget money is not attached to the school (determined by some head count), but to the student, and it was up to the schools to compete for the student. If the parent thinks that a particular school is not doing the teaching job, the parent is free to move the child to another school. Yes, government funding is still involved, but there is still a market mechanism where the parent decides where the child goes.


106 posted on 03/11/2006 7:20:45 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: metmom

'What's wrong with some people that they think rules are more important than common sense? The kids who were intimidated and stopped by the teachers will live with the guilt of not having acted for the rest of their Lives. They'll always be wondering, "What if I hadn't listened to the teacher? He might be alive today."'

I agree. And, I can't help but pause to think how this teacher would have reacted if it had been a gunman in the cafeteria.


107 posted on 03/11/2006 7:37:21 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Galveston Grl

"Zero tolerance was a way to up the numbers of white boys kicked out of school for offenses such as posessing an axe in the trunk of a car left over from a boy scout presentation or drawing a picture of a gun..."

When I was in high school a number of students (seniors, juniors old enough to drive) were also on the volunteer rescue squad. Some even had full crash kits in the trunks of their cars (well, maybe not jaws of life, the model the squad had at the time required a hydraulic power unit that was carried on the fire truck). Some were a bit goofs in school, but when the police radio sent a call out they were all business. These days carrying such a kit would likely land them in prison for weapons and drugs.
Of course back in those days no one played such petty games with the volunteer firemen and rescue squad. They were doing this on their own time, and you might need them someday. A rescue squad member may live on the same block, so if the call goes out at your address, the first arrival may be in less than a minute.


108 posted on 03/11/2006 7:39:40 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Fred Hayek; Galveston Grl
"Zero tolerance was a way to up the numbers of white boys kicked out of school for offenses such as posessing an axe in the trunk of a car left over from a boy scout presentation or drawing a picture of a gun..."

I will point out that the majority of the mass school shootings so far have been done by middle to upper class "white boys".

109 posted on 03/11/2006 7:47:01 AM PST by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: sausageseller
Amazing all the teacher bashing and they are relying on an "anonymous" source.

At this point they are bashing an "anonymous" teacher.

110 posted on 03/11/2006 8:03:34 AM PST by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: Amelia

"And miss the fun of throwing gratuitous insults at teachers and public schools? ;-)"

We have a bullseye!


111 posted on 03/11/2006 8:09:30 AM PST by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: Socratic
From your screen name, blind denial of what the student witnesses said and robotic defense of teachers, may I assume that you, yourself are in the edumacatuion bidness?
112 posted on 03/11/2006 8:11:29 AM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: Socratic
Ooops. Given the history of your screen name the last post should have said:

From your screen name, blind denial of what the student witnesses said and robotic defense of teachers, may I assume that you, yourself are in the edumacatuion corrupting the youth bidness?

I forgot to include the historical background...

113 posted on 03/11/2006 8:14:46 AM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: Blue Jays

Yes, I am as anti-NEA as anyone but in this case the most likely thing is that 911 had already been notified, the students and teachers knew it, and then a bunch of students took it as a opportunity to wip out their cell phones and call friends, ready to claim they were calling 911 if a teacher confronted them.

Even if this kid was calling 911, I can't see how a lawsuit could move forward if the teacher is accused of stopping the 5th, 10th, or 15th call to 911.

911 recordings and cell phone records should be able to determine if a teacher cut off the first call to 911, so the truth will come out.


114 posted on 03/11/2006 8:16:04 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: Zrob
NOBODY is that stupid that they will prevent a call for help from going out while actually LOOKING at a distressed individual.

If only that were true.

115 posted on 03/11/2006 8:16:47 AM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: ContraryMary
At my daughter's high school a guidance counselor prevented a teacher from giving food to a student who was having a hypoglycemic attack because school policy provides that only the school nurse can treat an ill student. Our schools are filled with bureaucrats who are unable to think for themselves.

I'm going to guess that the school nurse is only there part time, So if it's Tuesday, the student has to wait until he/she's back on Wednesday.

What do I win?

116 posted on 03/11/2006 8:21:20 AM PST by null and void (Sept 11th: National Moderate Muslim Day of Tacit Approval)
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To: Amelia

What is your point? (Serious question, it is not obvious to me what point you are trying to make.)


117 posted on 03/11/2006 8:21:35 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: Samwise

A book title of a few years ago covers DAMN NEAR ALL that goes on in this country, indeed, the WORLD today. The title? "THE DEATH OF COMMON SENSE."

The other element that plays into this NEEDLESS TRAGEDY is my permutation of the Outback restaurant advertising motto of "No rules, just right." NO RIGHTS, JUST RULES!

I often wonder if the increasing stupidity and lack of discernment of more and more American people -- in this case, one of those among us who, as a TEACHER, is SUPPOSED to be better educated and perspicacious -- doesn't put us in jeopardy of repeating the disaster visited upon the world in the 30s when obedience to the RULES promulgated by their insane furher and his minions was more important than moral and ethical considerations. MILLIONS paid for THAT national lapse.

Speaking of titles, there is one famous song title that really ought to be changed to "God SAVE America."


118 posted on 03/11/2006 8:30:42 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: On the Road to Serfdom; Galveston Grl
What is your point? (Serious question, it is not obvious to me what point you are trying to make.)

A previous poster claimed that zero tolerance policies were a way for school administrators to appear anti-racist when "expel[ling] gang members, rapists, violent attackers and murderers", who were presumably all black, by giving said administrators a way to expel white boys for minor offenses.

119 posted on 03/11/2006 8:33:35 AM PST by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Fred Hayek
Do you also have school choice in the Netherlands like in Belgium? John Stossel had a special TV program on education and mediocrity in the United States, showing the teachers' union militant resistance to school choice. One thing that Stossel had shown however was that in the Belgian system, the education budget money is not attached to the school (determined by some head count), but to the student, and it was up to the schools to compete for the student. If the parent thinks that a particular school is not doing the teaching job, the parent is free to move the child to another school. Yes, government funding is still involved, but there is still a market mechanism where the parent decides where the child goes.

Yes school choice is completely free. But can't american parents choose which school they want their children to go to? It's only fair since the parent pays for the education.

Although it also depends on testing, you have to have past certain tests at primary school or you can't go to all highschools. We do have a lot of choice still, with Public schools, Catholic schools, Protestant schools, Jewish schools, Islamic schools, and even american and englisch schools for american and english children that live in holland.
120 posted on 03/11/2006 8:42:18 AM PST by S0122017 (Ping Ping Ping MUHAHAHAHA Ping Ping Ping)
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