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Suit Cites Men's Version of Roe v. Wade
NewsMax ^ | 3/8/06

Posted on 03/08/2006 12:42:02 PM PST by areafiftyone

Contending that women have more options than they do in the event of an unintended pregnancy, men's rights activists are mounting a long shot legal campaign aimed at giving them the chance to opt out of financial responsibility for raising a child.

The National Center for Men has prepared a lawsuit - nicknamed Roe v. Wade for Men - to be filed Thursday in U.S. District Court in Michigan on behalf of a 25-year-old computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter.

The suit addresses the issue of male reproductive rights, contending that lack of such rights violates the U.S. Constitution's equal protection clause.

The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose.

"There's such a spectrum of choice that women have - it's her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions," said Mel Feit, director of the men's center. "I'm trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly."

Feit's organization has been trying since the early 1990s to pursue such a lawsuit, and finally found a suitable plaintiff in Matt Dubay of Saginaw, Mich. Dubay says he has been ordered to pay $500 a month in child support for a girl born last year to his ex-girlfriend. He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that - because of a physical condition - she could not get pregnant.

Dubay is braced for the lawsuit to fail.

"What I expect to hear (from the court) is that the way things are is not really fair, but that's the way it is," he said in a telephone interview. "Just to create awareness would be enough, to at least get a debate started."

State courts have ruled in the past that any inequity experienced by men like Dubay is outweighed by society's interest in ensuring that children get financial support from two parents. Melanie Jacobs, a Michigan State University law professor, said the federal court might rule similarly in Dubay's case.

"The courts are trying to say it may not be so fair that this gentleman has to support a child he didn't want, but it's less fair to say society has to pay the support," she said.

Feit, however, says a fatherhood opt-out wouldn't necessarily impose higher costs on society or the mother. A woman who balked at abortion but felt she couldn't afford to raise a child could put the baby up for adoption, he said.

Jennifer Brown of the women's rights advocacy group Legal Momentum objected to the men's center comparing Dubay's lawsuit to Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court ruling establishing a woman's right to have an abortion.

"Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government - literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want," Brown said. "There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."

Feit counters that the suit's reference to abortion rights is apt.

"Roe says a woman can choose to have intimacy and still have control over subsequent consequences," he said. "No one has ever asked a federal court if that means men should have some similar say."

"The problem is this is so politically incorrect," Feit added. "The public is still dealing with the pre-Roe ethic when it comes to men, that if a man fathers a child, he should accept responsibility."

Feit doesn't advocate an unlimited fatherhood opt-out; he proposes a brief period in which a man, after learning of an unintended pregnancy, could decline parental responsibilities if the relationship was one in which neither partner had desired a child.

"If the woman changes her mind and wants the child, she should be responsible," Feit said. "If she can't take care of the child, adoption is a good alternative."

The president of the National Organization for Women, Kim Gandy, acknowledged that disputes over unintended pregnancies can be complex and bitter.

"None of these are easy questions," said Gandy, a former prosecutor. "But most courts say it's not about what he did or didn't do or what she did or didn't do. It's about the rights of the child."


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1 posted on 03/08/2006 12:42:04 PM PST by areafiftyone
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There's nothing equivalent for men

So men and women really are different? Imagine that...
2 posted on 03/08/2006 12:44:42 PM PST by JamesP81
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To: areafiftyone

Radical feminazis want to have their cake and eat it too.


3 posted on 03/08/2006 12:48:36 PM PST by NapkinUser
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To: areafiftyone
"None of these are easy questions," said Gandy, a former prosecutor. "But most courts say it's not about what he did or didn't do or what she did or didn't do. It's about the rights of the child."

Of course, unless the woman decides that the child has no right to live. Then it's all about the little lady...

4 posted on 03/08/2006 12:49:25 PM PST by Kenton
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To: areafiftyone
This thread will get ugly fast, but I'll opt in for a bit anyway.

This is the only arena I can think of where one party can 'choose' to obligate another party to a lifelong contract.

Now, bear in mind I do not support abortion on demand. And I think the choice (moral and civil) is to let life continue.

BUT ... if our secular society says it really is just about choice, then it is legally unsound in contract law to permit one party to 'choose' to obligate another party. That is a direct denial of due process and a violation of equal protection under the law. No person has the right to choose a contractual obligation for another.

Remember, I do not support abortion on demand, and I believe the right choice is to let life keep living, and have parentS be responsible for a child.
5 posted on 03/08/2006 12:49:27 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: areafiftyone

"Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government - literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want," Brown said. "There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."

This entire statement could be the basis to kill Roe Vs Wade. This idiot just gave us the ammo! If men have the same ability as women to use contraception, or get sterilized, then there is no excuse for "unwanted preganancies"!!! I f you didn't use contraception or sterilize yourself, your an idiot, and that doesn't give you the right to kill another human being!!!


6 posted on 03/08/2006 12:49:32 PM PST by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: areafiftyone
He contends that the woman knew he didn't want to have a child with her and assured him repeatedly that - because of a physical condition - she could not get pregnant.

And he just took her word for that? What a dumbass.

7 posted on 03/08/2006 12:50:24 PM PST by Chiapet
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"But most courts say it's not about what he did or didn't do or what she did or didn't do. It's about the rights of the child."

The rights of the child? NOW mentioning the rights of the child? This woman ought to be afraid of a lightning bolt, I tell you! Geez, this outfit doesn't think the child even has a right to be BORN, for crying out loud!


8 posted on 03/08/2006 12:50:50 PM PST by trimom
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To: areafiftyone
"The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood. The activists involved hope to spark discussion even if they lose. "

It was clear the above was coming. It completes what the feminists began, reproductively speaking. Funny how these men have no idea how much they're helping the feminist vision for America....or maybe they do.

"There's such a spectrum of choice that women have - it's her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions," said Mel Feit, director of the men's center. "I'm trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly."

For the above, I offer the same advice I've offered to pro-abortionists. Keep your pants zippered.

9 posted on 03/08/2006 12:51:04 PM PST by TAdams8591 (Small is the key!)
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It's about the rights of the child."

My thoughts exactly. I almost fell off my chair when I read that! Talk about absurd arguments! If it were not so tragic, it would be funny!


10 posted on 03/08/2006 12:54:30 PM PST by t2buckeye
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To: areafiftyone
The gist of the argument: If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood.


That is an interesting argument...
11 posted on 03/08/2006 12:54:35 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: areafiftyone

>>>There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."

What about a man keeping his thing in his pants? A 100% effective way for a man to make sure he is not paying for a kid he doesn't want.


12 posted on 03/08/2006 12:54:46 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (New SeeBS-News promo theme: If the facts don't fit, we'll make up sh*t.)
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To: areafiftyone

Men have a point on all issues legal between a man and woman.There is Absolutely NO equality for men under our joke of a justice system!I think both sides need to use a different term other than "reproductive rights" because neither is reproducing anything when it comes to abortion.


13 posted on 03/08/2006 12:55:13 PM PST by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: areafiftyone
If a pregnant woman can choose among abortion, adoption or raising a child, a man involved in an unintended pregnancy should have the choice of declining the financial responsibilities of fatherhood.

What a stupid argument. It's just a cop-out for guys who can't control themselves.

14 posted on 03/08/2006 12:55:17 PM PST by shekkian
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To: areafiftyone
....computer programmer ordered to pay child support for his ex-girlfriend's daughter.

Notice how the author biases the article by leaving out the fact that this child is also the programmers daughter.

15 posted on 03/08/2006 12:55:27 PM PST by Woodstock
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To: P-40

It is an interesting argument.


16 posted on 03/08/2006 12:55:56 PM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Chiapet

Remember, he could only think with one head at a time. ;)


17 posted on 03/08/2006 12:56:23 PM PST by linda_22003
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To: Blueflag
My understanding is that even here a man is NOT the biological father but has assumed those obligations he has been held financially responsible for the child. And of course the legal presumption is that a husband is the biological father of the wife's child.

All of this has the purpose of doing everything possible to make sure a child has a father as breadwinner to support him or her.

I don't know the rules regarding forcing mothers to pay child support. I would imagine that very different (would some call them "non-feminist" assumptions?) assumptions underlie differing rules for women and men.

And of course we all hear about deadbeat dads.

This could indeed get ugly fast. I have posted many times this week on abortion. But I know what you mean - there's always the law of unintended consequences. I doubt this is what supporters of abortion on demand have in mind when they speak of "choice."
18 posted on 03/08/2006 12:57:27 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: areafiftyone

Goose, meet Gander.


19 posted on 03/08/2006 12:57:44 PM PST by MrEdd (I would have gotten away with it too - if it weren't for those meddling kids and their stupid dog.)
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It is an interesting concept Men's rights. I do think that the State must protect the child first and foremost. I
One point, if a woman tricks a man into impregnating her, fraudulently claiming she is on the pill, and the man relies on that, he could argue that paying her child support would perpetuate a fraud. However, if the state is paying welfare or food stamps for that child, then it is the state (taxpayers vs. the father)?
20 posted on 03/08/2006 12:58:02 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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