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Prof's are upset about proposed ban on Teacher student sex(OSU)
The Lantern ^ | 03-08-06 | Sara Smith

Posted on 03/08/2006 7:43:15 AM PST by FreeLuna

University human resources held a discussion forum yesterday, inviting faculty to address concerns about proposed changes to the university's policy on consensual relationships between faculty and students.

The forum was co-chaired by Larry Lewellen, associate vice president of human resources, and Allan Silverman, chair-elect of the faculty council of the University Senate.

There will not be a vote on the final version of the policy by any university groups. Human resources, however, is circulating the revised policy and facilitating feedback forums before making a final decision.

Yesterday's forum marked the third round of discussions on the policy change and highlighted the third draft of the policy since a university task force proposed the policy change in July 2005. Human resources has been making revisions to the policy after receiving feedback from the University Senate, Undergraduate Student Government and faculty.

"There has been lots of reaction," Lewellen said. "We've made quite a few changes already. We haven't reached closure on any of this today."

Faculty at the meeting voiced concerns on the notification clause in the policy change. Originally, the revised policy required that human resources be notified if a faculty member entered into any consensual relationship with a student, even in cases where the faculty member was not in a supervisory position. Some faculty were concerned with this central reporting mechanism and with the creation of records of the relationships within human resources. In response to these concerns, human resources has revised the policy to require faculty to report the relationships only to their department chairs. No notification of human resources is required and no central records will be kept.

With the adoption of the anonymous reporting line on March 1, T.K. Daniels, chair of the faculty council of the University Senate, expressed concerns that third-party reporting would be encouraged in instances of consensual relationships between faculty and students. It's a romantic police state," Daniels said. "It's even more so a police state because it can be reported anonymously."

Lewellen said the policy needs to be revised to discourage third-party reporting and that he believes this is a matter of professional ethics.

The notification mechanism of the policy also created concerns in cases of same-sex relationships.

Karen Mancel, professor of agricultural engineering, said that requiring faculty to report any conflict of interest, in a non-specific way, could ease concerns about the reporting clause.

"These relationships constitute a conflict of interest," Mancel said. "Disclosing a conflict of interest, but not describing what it is would solve some of the issues with the reporting clause."

The topic of conflicts of interests quickly turned to a discussion of ethics. The university does not have an official, universal statement on ethics.

"We need a clear statement on ethics; we really don't have one," Lewellen said. "It could be interesting to think about."

Mancel said this policy is likely to affect graduate teaching assistants and young faculty the most. "Because of their age grad students will develop relationships with undergrads," Mancel said. "I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing."

Lewellen agreed with Mancel that this policy could create a stigma surrounding relationships between graduate teaching assistants and undergraduate students, as well any other relationship between people who are both a part of the university.

"We need to manage the conflict of interest without creating a stigma," Lewellen said.

The meeting ended with Lewellen thanking the attending faculty for their input.

"This is a forum and we're getting as many ideas as possible," Lewellen said.

The next step is a similar meeting with department chairs sometime this month, followed by another revision to the policy change.

"We are in mid-process," Lewellen said. "We want to have these conversations before we redraft the policy."

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One OSU professor called the ban a "Romantic police state." Seems like these professors don't want to lose a benifit of the job...young vulnerable women!
1 posted on 03/08/2006 7:43:17 AM PST by FreeLuna
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To: FreeLuna

I had to check to see if this was scrappleface.


2 posted on 03/08/2006 7:45:14 AM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (My Pug is On Her War Footing)
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To: FreeLuna

Professors: THIS IS WHY WE TOOK THE JOB IN THE FIRST PLACE - DAMMIT!!


3 posted on 03/08/2006 7:45:51 AM PST by Sax
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To: FreeLuna
The university does not have an official, universal statement on ethics.

TOTALLY SHOCKING!

4 posted on 03/08/2006 7:46:45 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM: The perpetual insulting of common sense.)
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To: FreeLuna

Well jeez. How else are eggheads going to get women?


5 posted on 03/08/2006 7:47:33 AM PST by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: FreeLuna

In case anyone else was wondering, the "O" is for "Ohio."


6 posted on 03/08/2006 7:49:32 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: FreeLuna


What about Teaching Assistants? OSU prohibiting them? I dated my Psych 101 TA after I was out of her class. I was 20...she was only 23, and in her first year of the PHD program.

I didnt think there was anything ethically wrong with it, since I didnt approach her till after the semester was over.


7 posted on 03/08/2006 7:50:39 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: in hoc signo vinces

Yes, TA's would also be banned. There has been a growing problem in the university of predatory type of relationships where a TA or a Prof have basically used and lied to female students to get sex. Usually they are an international student who have student visas on the line.


8 posted on 03/08/2006 7:56:23 AM PST by FreeLuna
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To: FreeLuna

I had a dear friend in college who dated a married professor. It was a bad choice on both their parts. However, he didn't care because he was a real co-ed hound. She, on the other hand, was deeply hurt by the experience.

To think that these meatheads(professors) have to debate and discuss this issue is ridiculous. Hands off co-eds. Simple as that.

But old habits are hard to break, ay professors?


9 posted on 03/08/2006 7:57:18 AM PST by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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In case anyone else was wondering, the "O" is for "Ohio."

Glad to hear that ! My middle son graduated from OSU (Oregon) a couple of years ago and his little bro wants to go there also in another couple of years.

Oregon State have lost their 'marbles' in that this year they have made the "Female Masterbation - 101" into a coed class in masterbation. One can only imagine the study group assignments. Just when you think the Universities can sink no lower, they come up with ways to sink lower into the abyss.

Nam Vet

10 posted on 03/08/2006 7:58:24 AM PST by Nam Vet (The Democrat Party of America is perfectly P.C. * .(* P.C. = Patriotically Challenged)
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To: FreeLuna


I am all for throwin predatory geezer profs in the slam for taking advantage of young impressionable women...but, hopefully, this will looked at on a case by case basis.


11 posted on 03/08/2006 7:59:33 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Tax-chick
In case anyone else was wondering, the "O" is for "Ohio."

Glad to hear that ! My middle son graduated from OSU (Oregon) a couple of years ago and his little bro wants to go there also in another couple of years.

Oregon State have lost their 'marbles' in that this year they have made the "Female Masterbation - 101" into a coed class in masterbation. One can only imagine the study group assignments. Just when you think the Universities can sink no lower, they come up with ways to sink lower into the abyss.

Nam Vet

12 posted on 03/08/2006 8:01:06 AM PST by Nam Vet (The Democrat Party of America is perfectly P.C. * .(* P.C. = Patriotically Challenged)
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To: Nam Vet
Sorry for the hiccup.

Nam Vet

13 posted on 03/08/2006 8:02:39 AM PST by Nam Vet (The Democrat Party of America is perfectly P.C. * .(* P.C. = Patriotically Challenged)
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To: in hoc signo vinces
It all depends.

When I was a graduate student at the University of California back in the early '70s I don't recall any official policy on these matters. There were certainly faculty members who were involved with students, sometimes students in their classes. I recall a couple of notorious instances where senior professors became involved with quite young undergraduates.

When I was a TA, most of us had an informal policy that we wouldn't date anyone in a section we were leading. I dated a couple of girls who had been in my sections after the courses were over. The guys who did date students in their sections were considered pretty sleazy by the rest of us.

The most notorious department on campus was sociology. A young woman I knew recounted how, while having an occaisonal affair with one sociology professor with whom she was taking a class, one evening one of her other professors showed up at her apartment, saying "[X] said you were a great lay and was sure you'd be happy to get it on with me." She described how she, and others, were essentially passed around the department from professor to professor (male and female) until they were all tired of her. Sad story: she'd been in an abusive marriage, had a small child, and was really struggling to balance work and school to better herself, and the professors had the power to make aid available or see that it was witheld.

14 posted on 03/08/2006 8:05:28 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Nam Vet

My oldest daughter wants to go to Oklahoma State U., so I was hoping this article wasn't about them! Not that there isn't some weird stuff going on in Oklahoma, too ...


15 posted on 03/08/2006 8:05:28 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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To: in hoc signo vinces; FreeLuna
"I didnt think there was anything ethically wrong with it, since I didnt approach her till after the semester was over."

lol... You didn't feel violated and used by your 23 year old TA girlfriend? freeluna would have her brought up on charges. ;o)
16 posted on 03/08/2006 8:06:49 AM PST by monday
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To: Tax-chick


Great school.


17 posted on 03/08/2006 8:08:18 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis. American gals are worth fighting for!")
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To: Tax-chick
You may want to check that Ok.S.U. has a policy that bans faculty/student relationships. Most major universities do not...believe it or not.
18 posted on 03/08/2006 8:09:14 AM PST by FreeLuna
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To: Tax-chick

Thanks for clearing that up, Tax Chick! I thought it was referring to Oregon......and I would be completely shocked if anything like that happened here! :)


19 posted on 03/08/2006 8:09:41 AM PST by derllak
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To: in hoc signo vinces

She wants to be a meteorologist.


20 posted on 03/08/2006 8:11:13 AM PST by Tax-chick (My remark was stupid, and I'm a slave of the patriarchy. So?)
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