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Vicar can't believe in God (Daughter was murdered in London 7/7 terror attack; Faith is battered)
The Sun (U.K.) ^ | March 7, 2006 | JOHN COLES

Posted on 03/07/2006 12:06:20 PM PST by Stoat

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To: Stoat

I will pray for her.


21 posted on 03/07/2006 12:25:04 PM PST by eyespysomething
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To: Red Badger

It's incredibly sad and tragic to see people hold their faith during good times, but when things turn dark, painful and agonizing, they turn their back on faith and walk away. She needs gentle support to eventually return. She does not need people throwing barbs and judging her.


22 posted on 03/07/2006 12:25:05 PM PST by Sax
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic
she should also know if not a born-again believer, you will not enter heaven, bottom line.

why am I not surprised she doesn't know these things?

I don't know why you're so uncompassionate about very real human doubt and frailty in the face of terrible grief. Why don't you tell us?

23 posted on 03/07/2006 12:26:08 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Stoat
That's what happens to "faith" that is really all about god being some genie in the sky who will bless me endlessly if I am a good follower.

An understandable pitfall in a me-centered world.

We expect things to go well, and blame God when they don't. I don't see anything in the Bible that promises a life full of blessings and good fortune. That fits more with false gods like Allah.

This world is not our home, and to think of it as such is to deceive ourselves.

24 posted on 03/07/2006 12:26:45 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Islam is the Anti-Christ)
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic
"she should also know if not a born-again believer, you will not enter heaven, bottom line"

Nonsense.

25 posted on 03/07/2006 12:26:55 PM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: Sax
It's incredibly sad and tragic to see people hold their faith during good times, but when things turn dark, painful and agonizing, they turn their back on faith and walk away.

She's still active in the church, she merely no longer feels she can serve as pastor and preach forgiveness as she struggles with it. I think the headline misrepresents what was in the story.

26 posted on 03/07/2006 12:29:04 PM PST by HairOfTheDog (Hobbit Hole knives for soldiers! www.freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net)
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To: Stoat

It is a sad story indeed. But, we must not despair over our losses. We must honor our dead for the good they did. These crimes were done TO us, not caused BY us. None die without meaning in this war. We should not be trying yet to issue forgiveness to the enemy who would slit your throat out of an insane religious perversion. The enemy must learn that righteousness will ultimately prevail, not murder of innocents. When the lesson is learned it will be time for forgiving, but not before.


27 posted on 03/07/2006 12:29:04 PM PST by Rapscallion (Democrats: Supporting the conquest of America since VietNam.)
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To: verity

john 3:3 Jesus replied, "I assure you, unless you are born again, you can never see the Kingdom of God."


28 posted on 03/07/2006 12:30:23 PM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: BagelFace
"... points to a hypocrisy with the practice of religion: she was able to "accept" thousands upon thousands of deaths, and continue preaching her message until her own daughter fell victim; then she couldn't believe what people do in the name of religion. her empathy and sprituality was conditional on this not happening to her. this is a common human characteristic that is infused in religion "

You're right. Religion is a very dangerous thing--and has only a superficial relationship with faith.

29 posted on 03/07/2006 12:30:55 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Islam is the Anti-Christ)
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To: bourbon
She has it a lot better than Job did. Lost his family, his wife, his friends, etc. Then he challenged God. God's response was not to give in to Job's demands to futile, immature questions (immature on a heavenly scale) but to say "Where were you when I said to the waves of the sea-- so far and no farther?". If Job could not understand the physical properties of God's ways, how could he understand the infinitely complex debates between Archangels, Cherubs, Demons and Sephirim?

"As far as the earth is above the earth, so are my ways above your ways, saith the Lord".

30 posted on 03/07/2006 12:31:08 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

Nonsense.


31 posted on 03/07/2006 12:31:17 PM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: Integrityrocks
>>This woman's faith will return.<<

I'm betting you are right. We should pray so anyway.

Muleteam1

32 posted on 03/07/2006 12:32:40 PM PST by Muleteam1
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic
john 3:3 Jesus replied, "I assure you, unless you are born again, you can never see the Kingdom of God."

I'd go even father and cite Mark 16:16:

"Whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved, but those who do not shall be damned".

Unless one is born again (with water), in addition to belief, one is lost. Jews, Muslims, Buddhists cannot fathom this unless they first believe and follow through.

33 posted on 03/07/2006 12:33:15 PM PST by Windsong (Jesus Saves, but Buddha makes incremental backups)
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
It is a broken world, and there is much unhappiness here. Mostly, the unhappiness belongs to others. But sometimes the unhappiness belongs to us.

It is hard, but we must try to remember how fleeting and unimportant this world really is.

“For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. “

34 posted on 03/07/2006 12:34:41 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (E)
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To: verity
"she should also know if not a born-again believer, you will not enter heaven, bottom line"

Nonsense."

Forgive me that, given the screen name you chose, I find it ironic to the point of tragic comedy that you mock the most essential truth of life.

35 posted on 03/07/2006 12:35:38 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Islam is the Anti-Christ)
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To: Stoat

I didn't see where she said she didn't believe in God.
I read her saying that she couldn't forgive the attackers, and didn't feel she could stand up there and preach forgiveness from the altar when she can't bring herself to do it. Therefore, she stepped away from preaching.
It says she's working on something else within the Church.

Where did it say she says she "Can't believe in God"?
I read that she found that she can't bring herself to OBEY what she believes God commanded, having doubts about the command. Seems to me that she does not want to be a hypocrite. That's a different thing than not believing in God.
Actually, it's belief in God, but recognition of one's own limitations.

"A man's got to know his limitations." - Dirty Harry


36 posted on 03/07/2006 12:36:10 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Stoat

Anger is a stage in the grieving process.


37 posted on 03/07/2006 12:37:04 PM PST by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 39-43)
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To: bourbon

If she believed in the God of the Bible, she would understand that our sufferings are well, rather predictible. Not to be glib about hers...it is dreadful. But seems that she should find consolation in that the fact that her suffering is perfectly consistent with the God of the Bible.


38 posted on 03/07/2006 12:37:53 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: bourbon
Not to diminish this lady's pain, but a more logical response to the 7/7 attacks would be to lose one's faith in Islam, not Christianity.

The headline doesn't match the story, though. The lady feels unable to function as a Christian priest, because her personal feelings were getting in the way. Nowhere does it say she lost her faith in God, or in Christianity.

39 posted on 03/07/2006 12:38:18 PM PST by r9etb
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To: ClearCase_guy
"It is hard, but we must try to remember how fleeting and unimportant this world really is.

“For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. “

Thanks for your wise counsel.

40 posted on 03/07/2006 12:38:20 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Islam is the Anti-Christ)
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