Posted on 03/06/2006 7:13:02 AM PST by CarrotAndStick
Jerusalem, March 6: Against the backdrop of the recent Indo-US nuclear deal, the Israeli defence industry has expressed concern that the United States' tightening security ties with India will adversely affect their prospects in one of their key markets.
"The Americans understood Israel is taking a huge market away from them. It took them time to respond, but they eventually did," a source at Israel's defence industries told local daily 'Yediot Ahronoth'.
"From now on it will be much harder to carry out arms deals in India," the source added. "The US plans on turning India into one of its arms industries' main export markets following the recent nuclear deal between the two countries during President Bush's visit to India," the report said.
India had emerged as the single largest purchaser of Israeli defence systems capping the Phalcon deal worth $1 billion.
I hope the Department of Homeland Security is watching this ChiCom and his family closely. They must be busy running an illegal smuggling opearation (or worse) using their "Great Wall" restaurant as a cover...LOL.
Again, all you are is some Brahmin who worships cows (yummy for food!) and elephants. Apparently, that's all you're at good at, you can't engage in a normal discussion about anything without having to resort in name calling.
But, that's typical of these Hindu nationalist cow worshippers.
Thanks for the ping. pganini is a most unpleasant and dishonest character.
If you are going to accuse me of being a spy, then you better be able to show up to COURT and defend it. If you're in the US, there is no telling what lengthy discovery will come up in YOUR family. Don't accuse me of something that I am not.
Please knock off the personal stuff.
AM: I was avoiding the personal stuff until this guy started getting really nasty about religion, anatomy, what-not. He does this on each thread by using the nastiest language against anybody who disagrees with him. If you take a look at post 183, you'll see that this person has quite a history.
Point taken...I'll avoid unnecessary contact with this character.
You've got to look a further out then this weekend.
The first thing Hamas said when they got power is that all deals with Israel are null. That is par for the course with Arabs.
Egypt and Jordan and SA are certainly threats to Israel. They (and Syria and Iran) (and likely even an Iran dominated Iraq) are the only threats. Israel can not be defeated by terror alone but by terrorists controlling those Arabs nations. Which is inevitable.
Jordan will be governed by Hamas types in the intermediate future with Egypt to follow.
Every single weapon the US sells the Arabs today has the potential to be used against Israel.
SEE POST 39. Indcons first response is name calling.
Indcons - if you can't have a rational discussion on the topic, then don't get on FR. This isn't some Hindu nationalist website (there are plenty of those i am sure).
It ain't a ChiCom site either.
What is that you said about not accusing people? What's this?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1578543/posts?page=91#91
Huh?? That was in reference to a racist post. If you want to argue for a racist, then go for it.
I don't get into this Indian name calling with YOU only after you have called me names.
All i posted was that the reason why Israel resumed its weapons sale to China is due to the Indian nuclear deal. It's pretty clear the timing of the Israeli announcement occurs right after the deal was made. I also posted the link to you, but all you can say is that I am a ChiCom? Fine, if I am a Chicom, then you're a elephant-riding, Dalit SLAVE OWNING Brahmin. Yes, India, the "Great" Democracy that enslaves 55% of its population as the Dalit class should be proud of its achievements?
Finally, please explain this question. Why did Israel feel it needed to attack the Liberty, and believe that it could get away with it?
Not being Israeli or American I think I can be a bit objective. IMHO America is no friend of Israel. US aid comes with way too many strings attached. The Israeli government is a banana republic- bowing to US demands. Israeli intel aid to the US is never mentioned in relation to aid received either.
Israel won the 1967 six day war with French weapons mainly. This was before US aid. US aid does more harm than good. Israel should stop accepting US aid.
Egypt's war games all have Israel as the potential enemy. Egypt has US F-16s, Abrams tanks, Apache attack choppers etc.
Jordan has US F-16s.
The Saudis have dozens of US F-15s and F-15Ss, and Abrams tanks and Apaches.
All these states are on Israel's borders and the Saudis are big funders of Hamas.
How would the US like it if Israel sold Merkava tanks to Canada and more importantly to Mexico?
The US is a world bully. Plain and simple.
The Arab states around Israel are all much larger in geographic size and in population. Right on Israel's borders. Yet China is not on the US border, is a similar size to the US, and population wise is a few times larger than the US while the Arabs are many many more times larger than Israel's tiny population.
Also the US has strategic depth while Israel has zip.
What the US does to Israel, is much worse than what Israel does to the US.
As for Pollard, he passed on info on enemy states to Israel- info that the US should have but did not pass on under agreements signed with the US. Other spies did much worse but Pollard gets treated with harsher gloves.
As for Liberty- what was a US ship doing so close to a war which was none of its business anyway. You jump in the fire, do not be surprised if you get burned, accident or not.
The US prevents Israel from taking out Pal terrorists when the US does the same thing in Afghanistan.
In conclusion, the US is as I said a bully, and not a friend of Israel. It is a hypocritical world actor.
I predict that the US will continue to force Israel out of the West Bank, its own Biblical heartland. And force Israel out of Jerusalem's Holy sites. Bush will do this.
And finally, American Jews have chosen to lose their Jewish Torah heritage and wisdom in an America filled with immoral vices. Materialism has replaced anything spiritual. This is American's undoing. America hit her peak in the 1950s and is on the decline. Just as the British empire declined.
As America chases the Dollar around the world, and prevents others from doing likewise, and further erodes anything spiritual for everything materialistic, it sees its empire world wide decline.
America will win the upcoming war with Iran. But that's the last war it will win. As American weakens, Israel will strengthen and people just do not want to know that.
Your bald assurances that Egypt and Saudi Arabia are not threats to Israel is not reassuring.
History demonstrates otherwise. In 1948, 1956, 1967, 1969 (War of Attrition), and 1973 Egypt spearheaded aggressive wars against Israel. All that stands between them is the coldest of peace and the limited life of Hosni Mubarak in a country that is increasingly being radicalized by political Islam (Al Qaeda, Brotherhood).
We in the US, a much more powerful nation oceans away, are rightfully afraid of China who has never attacked us. Also China unlike the Islamists would be deterred by mutual distruction. But tiny Israel surrounded by hostile radicals is not in danger?
That is quite a double standard.
Granted Iran is the immediate greater threat. Nukes trump conventional. But Syria and Jordan are nothing compared to Egypt.
Perhaps you should look up the transcripts of radio intercepts of the Israeli pilots. They are clear on the confusion.
From a diplomatic note to Israel from Dean Rusk:
At 1450 hours local time on June 8, 1967, two Israeli aircraft circled the U.S.S. Liberty three times, with the evident purpose of identifying the vessel. Accordingly there is every reason to believe that the U.S.S Liberty was identified, or at least her nationality determined, by Israeli aircraft approximately one hour before the attack. In these circumstances, the later military attack by Israeli aircraft on the U.S.S. Liberty is quite literally incomprehensible. As a minimum, the attack must be condemned as an act of military recklessness reflecting wanton disregard for human life."
The first mention ever of recordings of air to ground communications between the Israeli pilots and their controllers was made in the 1987 Thames Television (Israeli financed) documentary, Attack on the Liberty. In that film, the narrator stated that the production company had “re-created” the pilot conversations on the basis of transcripts provided by the IDF.
The first thought that comes to mind is why? Why did they have to “re-create” anything? If, as they claimed, the IDF had someone listen to the tapes and then make transcripts, why not just use the original tapes? The actors doing the “re-creation” spoke Hebrew and injected emotion into their readings. What possible purpose was served by making transcripts from the original tapes, then “re-creating” the conversations with actors for the documentary?
Curiously, the language in the subtitles used in that documentary is identical to the “translation” used by Cristol in his book. My wife is a world-class interpreter/translator. I asked her about the likelihood of even the same translator rendering an identical translation ten years later. She said that it was just about impossible for that to happen.
No one other than Israelis has ever heard the tapes the IDF claims to have (Cristol, as a dual citizen, is an Israeli for purposes of this discussion). Why do you suppose they have never released copies of the original tapes? Could it be that forensic analysis would show that they are fakes? That is, of course, if there really are such tapes.
For years, Liberty survivors and researchers have sought to learn why Israeli gun camera photography presented by Thames, Ltd., television and apologist Jay Cristol on the cover of his book is blurry with most details obscured. In fact, typical gun camera photos tend to be quite sharp. Why is this one so blurry, and what is the large white area near the starboard bow? The ship took no large hits in that area, so it cannot be explained as an explosion. Ken Halliwell has answered the questions. The photo displayed by Cristol and others as "proof that the ship flew no flag" is in fact a doctored view of the ship just as she tied up at the pier at Little Creek, Virginia, in July, 1967, upon her return from repairs in Malta.
A close look at the two photos, with matching points circled by Halliwell, reveals that they are in fact almost the same picture -- but the "gun camera" view has been doctored to hide the flag and other identifying marks. If a viewer will look carefully, the American flag is flying from the stern in both pictures. Flags fly from a Navy ship's stern only in port; the flag flies from the mainmast at sea. This is a picture taken in port in July, not taken during the attack as claimed by the Israelis. It cannot possibly be a gun camera photo taken during the attack as the Israelis claim. If you look carefully, identical groups of men can be seen standing in identical places on the ship in both images. The white "splash" on the starboard bow is a doctored image of the tug boat that helped Liberty move to the pier at Little Creek.
Upon close inspection, one can also see in the fake gun camera photo that the ship is floating high in the water. When the ship was attacked, it was heavily loaded and floating low in the water. The docking photo shows the ship lightly loaded and floating high after having just completed a crossing of the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean sea -- the same height as shown in the fake gun camera photo.
A close examination of the bow wave shows that this is also faked. Since the image used as "gun camera photograpy" was actually of the ship alongside the pier at Little Creek, it was necessary to create a fake bow wave to sustain the illusion of movement. This can be seen clearly if one compares the fake bow wave with a bow wave of a similar ship underway.
Yet their fakery knows no bounds. A close examination of the "smoke" in their faked gun camera pictures reveals that the smoke is actually depicted moving crosswise to the wind, and in fact there were no fires in that area.
Still further analysis of the four photographs, supposedly taken by a Mirage jet on the second attack run of the day, reveals that all four photos are taken from an identical position, which would not be the case if they were actually taken from a fast-moving jet aircraft. The fakers placed the supposed firing ring, the circle of dots, on the photographs to simulate a gun camera image, moving the ring from frame to frame. But the fakery is revealed by the fact that all four photos are taken from an identical position, not from a high speed jet approaching the ship on an attack run.
Innocent people do not need to fabricate evidence. If this were a criminal trial, these criminals would be in jail.
As for the location of the ship, that is not in question. The issue is why it was of the coast of Israel and Egypt at a time when Israel was informed that US military ships were west of Cyprus. Had there been an American Naval Liason, an attack could not have occured.
That's some more Israeli BS.
Finally, please explain this question. Why did Israel feel it needed to attack the Liberty, and believe that it could get away with it?
Question: Why would the crew members lie about what happened? Why is virtually every knowledgeable American official with the lone exception of Robert McNamara on public record calling the attack deliberate and the Israeli story untrue?
Oh cool in before the ZOT :) I see Pgiani got in trouble already.
Okay. And as I said the US India alliance as well as the India Israel alliance is important for all invloved and represents big change.
Let's not lose sight of who the enemy is. No one knows the cost of terror more than India.
In your opinion US is protecting Europe against who ?
"Israel spends about 10% of GNP on defense."
Do you think that spending so much on defense is so cool ?
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