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1 posted on 03/05/2006 3:14:52 PM PST by RWR8189
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Democracy IS tyranny. The tyranny of the majority. A republic is what we should be talking about.


2 posted on 03/05/2006 3:17:31 PM PST by frankiep
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Democracies lead to the seductive wasteland of socialism.


3 posted on 03/05/2006 3:21:14 PM PST by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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"The recent election of Hamas is the fruit of a policy that focused on the form of democracy (elections) rather than its substance (building and protecting a free society)."

"Obviously, any regime that supports terrorism is hostile to the most fundamental principles of a free society and should therefore be treated as an enemy."

Sharansky certainly didn't write the headline to this op-ed. The LAT seems to be hoping no one reads past the second paragraph and presumes the remaining content based on the title.


4 posted on 03/05/2006 3:33:03 PM PST by downtownconservative
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What Sharansky is saying is a democratic and free civil culture is more important than a mere fetish for elections.
5 posted on 03/05/2006 3:46:35 PM PST by JAWs (Ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed er ytringsfrihed. Der er intet men.)
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"Despite my faith in "democracy," I was under no illusion that elections should be held immediately. Over the previous decade, Palestinian society had become one of the most poisoned and fanatical on Earth. Day after day, on television and radio, in newspapers and schools, a generation of Palestinians had been subjected to the most vicious incitement by their own leaders. The only "right" that seemed to be upheld within Palestinian areas was the right of everyone to bear arms.

In such conditions of fear, intimidation and indoctrination, holding snap elections would have been an act of the utmost irresponsibility. That is why I proposed a plan calling for elections to be held no earlier than three years after the implementation of a series of democratic reforms. Three years, I believed, was the absolute minimum for democratic reforms to begin to change the atmosphere in which free elections could be held. Unfortunately, the plan was never implemented."


6 posted on 03/05/2006 3:48:45 PM PST by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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How long did our Republic take to evolve into what it did? Didn't we go through a civil war?! I hate ludacrus articles like this. I mean we expect these countries to foster 2006 U.S. democracy under a Republic in months.


8 posted on 03/05/2006 4:03:33 PM PST by freedom44
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Question:"Does democracy end tyranny?"

Response: No. It merely replaces the tyranny of one with the tyranny of the mob.

10 posted on 03/05/2006 4:09:14 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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Natan Sharansky makes the point that elections are not the ultimate test of democracy. They are part of the process by which rulers in free societies are legitimated by the people. Focusing on the process alone can lead to non-democrats being mistakenly accepted as legitimate representatives of the people, as with Hamas in Gaza. Sharansky contends the real measure of democracy is a society's commitment to the rule of law, separation and limitation of powers, political and religious freedom and a market economy. In other words, the substance of political government that institutes checks and balances upon the rulers and protects the people from abuse at their hands. That is the key to judging whether the peoples of the Middle East have attained true freedom. The answer to that question is an undeniable "NO". It is not something that can be rushed.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

11 posted on 03/05/2006 4:25:05 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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"to open these societies to dissent..." well, then he would have to start with rewriting the Koran.


19 posted on 03/05/2006 5:54:31 PM PST by GSlob
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One needs to distinguish democratic society and the actual practice of democracy (that is popular elections). Democratic society involves individual rights, freedom of speech, freedom of information, and the rule of law. All of these things are essential to the healthy function of a democracy. Without these foundations, popular elections can lead to Hitler and Mullahs. There are many democracies in the world (India is a democracy too), but only a handful you can consider truly functional, precisely because they have a well established democratic foundation.


21 posted on 03/06/2006 12:59:00 PM PST by gogoman
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Sharansky consistently distinguishes between freedom and democracy. Democracy without freedom is meaningless.

His test for freedom in a society is the town square test -

""Can a person walk into the middle of the town square and express his or her views without fear of arrest, imprisonment, or physical harm?"


23 posted on 03/07/2006 8:52:26 PM PST by dervish ("And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?")
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