Con Men in Lab Coats [how science corrects itself]

Scientific American ^ | March 2006 | By the editors

[45Auto]

Credibility goes out the window when science allows itself to be coopted by politics.

[Tribune7]

If a textbook is still carrying these drawings the school board that allows it be used should be sued for malpractice.

Still, Miller & Levine are not the only textbook authors & I wouldn't be surprised if some district somewhere is using a book that still has them.

And, sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if a publisher is still making such a book.

[Tribune7]

misapplying the laws of thermodynamics (actually AiG has disowned that one, finally

AIG and Entropy

[omega4412]

...They look carefully at descriptive statistics and the like, and sloppy fraud can often be exposed simply by finding inconsistancy...

I think that's a fair statement. Peer review can catch low-quality fraud but the key to catching high-quality fraud is seeing whether the experiments can be reproduced in another lab.

[cgbg]

Any scientific area that is politically correct is highly suspect.

In addition to the global warming nonsense, we also have a history of questionable AIDS research, phony-baloney second-hand smoke claims, as well as a pile of mutually contradictory claims about various foods and drinks.

Government funding can turn science into a religious cult faster than you can say "I want my grant money".

[js1138]

Most of the links given her go outside the AIG website.

The business based on information theory is just silly. When you play 20 questions, information is provided by yes or no answers. When you reproduce with variation, information is provided by differential reproductive success. The source of information is not magic.

[Virginia-American]

I stand corrected. What AiG really said not to use was

"‘The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics began at the Fall’. This law says that the entropy (‘disorder’) of the Universe increases over time"

They didn't explicitly disavow the erroneous thermodynamic argument against evolution (which is in fact an argument that life cannot exist)


If only AiG, DI, etc held themselves to the same standards that scientists do!

Or just submitted the studies to scientific review

[RightWingAtheist]

I wonder if the creationists realize how much their impugning of the scientific process of self-correction resembles the "Bush lied, soldiers died" chants of the far-left moonbats.

[TASMANIANRED]

I'm not arguing about anti evolution...

Any mammal with 4 extremities and a head with a forward face is going through the same developmental stages up to a point.

You have to get from 1 cell to a complex organism through some process.

The problem with captioning is I don't give a fig about species. I care about date....

Human can be differentiated from other species from 1 cell dependent on the chromosome count.

[js1138]

Not all humans have the same chromosome count. Not all humans with different chromosome counts are retarded or sterile.

Horses do not all share the same chromosome count.

[King Prout]

some of the folks here *are* arguing from a concreted antievolution opinion, and use some flaws in Haeckel's work as an attempt to discredit the concept that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.

they would probably have some qualms with your assertion that "Any mammal with 4 extremities and a head with a forward face is going through the same developmental stages up to a point."

let alone the similarities between human and non-mammalian embryos.

[TASMANIANRED]

You and I are arguing cross purposes.

I am arguing from a position that text books are published from a liberal ,politically correct perspective.

They are loaded cover to cover with inaccuracies and deliberately so.

It is far worse in the area of history and social sciences but the bull has invaded science.

The fraudulent drawings have been used for the past 30 years to support the abortion myth of fetus as blob.. It is the political will of the left that this perception continue.

Any science book that is pushing the global warming myth is destined to have other pseudo sciences in it.

Just because a single group of authors issued a correction does not mean that other authors have corrected.

You can keep the chip on your shoulder.

It is your source cited and your place to prove otherwise.

You are extrapolating from a single example to a generality.

[TASMANIANRED]

You are making my point...

Captions are necessary because a mouse is born at 21 days.

True it is bare and blind but it is air breathing and suckling.

A human at 21 days is what.......

[js1138]

let alone the similarities between human and non-mammalian embryos.

So it should be easy to separate the mammals from the non-mammals in post number 58.

[TASMANIANRED]

You must be younger than me.

[js1138]

A human at 21 days is what.......

A 21 day old human?

[js1138]

Larger animals have longer gestations. So what? Are elephants higher than humans on some scale other than one than measures mass?

[TASMANIANRED]

The text book industry just like the education industry is dominated by the left.

Agenda's mean far more than truth.

They will publish any indoctrination theory that fits their agenda best.

[TASMANIANRED]

Bingo.

[TASMANIANRED]

You are using freaks, statistical outliers to support your position.