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Drive 55, Try to Stay Alive (students film the results of going the speed limit)
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 3-3-2006 | Ariel Hart

Posted on 03/02/2006 7:29:00 PM PST by Turbopilot

They knew it was dangerous.

"We could have really been hurt," said one of the Atlanta college students after their experiment.

It won't win an Oscar, but 'A Meditation on the Speed Limit,' a short film that was the brainchild of college student Andy Medlin, is quite a hit.

Some strange scenes, including a car passing in the emergency lane, were the product of Georgia State students simply following the speed limit.

"I was pretty sure that I was doing something stupid," said another.

That may be true. But, young and brash, they had a plan.

They wanted to go the speed limit on I-285.

In four cars, on all four lanes, the students from Georgia State University and other local colleges paced the entire midmorning flow of Perimeter traffic behind them at 55 mph for half an hour. They call it "an act of civil obedience."

"I get a lot of tickets," said Andy Medlin, 20, the Georgia State student who came up with the idea. "The best way to expose the flaws in the system is by following it."

Thankfully, they survived unharmed, though much maligned. The eight students captured it all on video for a student film competition, and the five-minute piece has fired up the country this week on blogs, talk radio, and national news broadcasts.

"NPR was the first biter," said Jordan Streiff, 21, the group's experienced filmmaker and an Asian Studies major at Georgia State. "Initially, we were going to be on ABC's cable network and Web site, but overnight the traffic to the video spiked so they put it on World News Tonight."

The film, "A Meditation on the Speed Limit," was intended as a drama, but won best comedy for Georgia last month at the Campus MovieFest, a traveling movie competition. It will compete against other states' winners for a national title later this spring, said David Roemer, one of the film festival's founders.

In the meantime, driven by blog attention to the video that Streiff posted on Google, a national discussion has bloomed about what is legal and what is right. One of the filmmakers, Georgia State student Amanda Hunter, was interviewed about it on Neal Boortz's radio show on WSB.

"It's just so overwhelming," Hunter said Thursday, after leaving a midterm exam on Sufism and Islamic mysticism. "Jordan's calling me today like, 'Do you have time for CBS?' I called him back and he said, 'Don't worry about that now, just take your test.'"

David Spear, a spokesman for the state Department of Transportation, said if the students weren't blocking emergency vehicles and were going the speed limit, "they didn't do a thing wrong." Spear added that the speed limit was lowered to 55 because it saves lives. "In Atlanta, the actual effect of it is we expect the people going 75 to move over so the people going 95 can have the right of way," he said.

There was little doubt what the students' companions on the road thought that sunny Friday in January. The video shows drivers' steadily mounting hostility to the blockade. Cars honk. They drive onto the shoulder to speed around the students. Obscene gestures are made. The money shot, however, was captured beautifully by Hunter, who stood with her camera on the Church Street bridge over I-285 to watch the approaching traffic.

What she saw was ... nothing. An empty highway, with one or two stray cars. And then, like the hordes on the horizon, over the rise come the students backed by a phalanx of cars, cars, cars. The film plays it for all it's worth, bouncing the image back and forth to the funky beat of the Guru Fish song "Plush."

"It was so fantastic," said Hunter. "I just started jumping up and down and going crazy. There's beeping horns and craziness."

Then it passed, Hunter said, and a woman driving on the bridge stopped and asked, "What was the point of all that?"

Hunter explained the project. It was to make people think, she said.

The woman amicably rolled her eyes, Hunter recalled. "It was kind of like, 'Oh, you kids and your statements.'"


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: badlaws; brats; civilobedience; donutwatch; selfinfatuatedbrats; speed; speedlimit
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To: Turbopilot

Well there is a little loophole in the Georgia traffic code which states you cannot get a ticket for speeding if you are going at the same speed as everyone else.

In other words, it everyone around you is driving at around 80 mph, so can you without getting a ticket.

And in Atlanta, they do drive that fast on the interstate.


181 posted on 03/05/2006 11:51:35 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Turbopilot

Awesome. I'm glad they did it and didn't get killed. The 55 laws are designed for revenue enhancement and insurance company enrichment.


182 posted on 03/05/2006 11:58:34 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Can you cite that law? I can't find it, and I've certainly tried - could have saved on my "tax" bill in years past.


183 posted on 03/05/2006 12:13:49 PM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: Turbopilot
Can you cite that law? I can't find it, and I've certainly tried - could have saved on my "tax" bill in years past.

I am talking about the traffic code, not tax law.

184 posted on 03/05/2006 12:25:16 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: Paul C. Jesup

It's a euphemism - one is "taxed" for driving at a reasonable and prudent speed, if that speed is greater than the number on a sign.

Like I said, I can't find anything in O.C.G.A. saying what you said. Can you point me to the right place? Thanks.


185 posted on 03/05/2006 12:45:49 PM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: supercat
Because the law in question is effectively a tax. Motorists either have to pay a time tax in the form of time wasted on the roads, or else a monetary tax if they get caught trying to avoid the former.

Further, depending upon the assumptions one makes regarding reaction times, braking effectiveness, and stopping scenarios, there are some traffic conditions where lower speed limits can increase the likelihood of accidents by causing vehicles to be spaced closer together than they would be at higher speeds.


Time tax? So how do you collect your refund? BTW: Don't confuse a fine with a tax. If you simply obey the law and learn to manage your time accordingly, you don't pay a thing. The problem is a society that has come to look at government as an impediment to our lives rather than the facilitator it is. Police, fire, DOT, they're all there to make your life easier and to ensure we get something in return for subjecting ourselves to society's laws.

Go back and read the handbook you obviously skimmed before taking your driving exam. There are laws that dictate how closely you may follow another driver as well. If you have ever been rear-ended (or done it yourself), you know where the liability lies. What's more, the other reading above that argues that these speeds are safe, even under adverse conditions, also hasn't read the manual. It is perfectly possible to get a ticket for excessive speed while driving the speed limit. If the road is coated with ice and you are humming along at 55 mph, you are very likely to get a ticket.

If you don't like the law regarding stop lights, you can't simply flout it whenever you encounter one. The problem is that airbags and other safety devices give motorists the false security that 55 mph is a snail's pace. It's certainly faster than 45-50 on rural roads with blind corners and traffic signs.

Finally, the part that gets me is how furious motorists get, even when you drive the speed limit in the far right lane. I've been doing it for several months now and finally had to put a sign in the back of my car with a yellow ribbon saying: "Make a contribution--Drive the Speed Limit." Since then, I don't get nearly the tailgating I received before. And I started this when gas was about $3.00/gal.

So what's your contribution?
186 posted on 03/05/2006 12:51:27 PM PST by George Snuffleupagus
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To: George Snuffleupagus
Don't confuse a fine with a tax. If you simply obey the law and learn to manage your time accordingly, you don't pay a thing.

If the state forces someone to drive 55mph on an 75-mile stretch of road where 75 would have been a prudent and safe speed, the state in so doing will deprive that person of 22 minutes of his life that he could have used to do something else.

The loss of 22 minutes isn't a fine, and it's not just a consequence imposed by physical necessity (if the prudent and safe speed was 75mph, the extra ten minutes required to go 75 instead of 90 would be imposed by physical constraints; the extra 22 minutes required to go 55, by contrast, are state-imposed).

So what would you call the state's actions to deliberately deprive the driver of 22 minutes of his life, if not a "time tax"?

187 posted on 03/05/2006 1:10:31 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: George Snuffleupagus
If you don't like the law regarding stop lights, you can't simply flout it whenever you encounter one.

Well, oftentimes with traffic lights, the most important "law" is that entering an spot on an intersection that another vehicle has just entered or is about to enter will result in some problems as two vehicles can't inhabit the same point at the same time. Since traffic lights serve as something of an indicator as to what other vehicles are likely to do, they help to avoid such unpleasantness.

The annoying "red left turn arrows" that illuminate even when there's no other traffic around I obey purely for fear of being observed by a cop. I've often seen cops proceed through them without bothering with lights, but that doesn't mean I want to do so and risk getting caught.

188 posted on 03/05/2006 1:15:43 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat
The annoying "red left turn arrows" that illuminate even when there's no other traffic around I obey purely for fear of being observed by a cop. I've often seen cops proceed through them without bothering with lights, but that doesn't mean I want to do so and risk getting caught.

I suspect that "it's only illegal if I get caught" mentality is the one driving the discussion. The idea that any law that can't be enforced to the letter should be scrapped is part of a sociopathic orientation that too many Americans succumb to. It's almost like saying the only things I have an obligation to do in society are those the government forces me to do. The natural consequence of that mentality is a reversion to a totalitarian state in times of national crisis.
189 posted on 03/05/2006 1:33:22 PM PST by George Snuffleupagus
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To: Turbopilot
Though I could not find the law itself, I did find this in the Georgia 2005 Driver's manual: http://www.dds.ga.gov/FormsandManuals/index.aspx

In the 2005 Driver's manual .pdf file, page 53: In any case, you must not dirve slower than the minimum speed limit or so slow as to interfere with the normal flow of traffic.

Note, it does not say maximum speed limit, but instead states the "normal flow of traffic".

190 posted on 03/05/2006 1:38:09 PM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: cabojoe

These kids are 100% right.

No one wants anyone to drive the legal limit. It is a fiction put out there to appease the Envirowhackos.


191 posted on 03/05/2006 1:46:01 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: supercat
If the state forces someone to drive 55mph on an 75-mile stretch of road where 75 would have been a prudent and safe speed, the state in so doing will deprive that person of 22 minutes of his life that he could have used to do something else. The loss of 22 minutes isn't a fine, and it's not just a consequence imposed by physical necessity (if the prudent and safe speed was 75mph, the extra ten minutes required to go 75 instead of 90 would be imposed by physical constraints; the extra 22 minutes required to go 55, by contrast, are state-imposed). So what would you call the state's actions to deliberately deprive the driver of 22 minutes of his life, if not a "time tax"?The problem is that you are making your case from a visceral sense of what you deem to be safe vs. an open public discussion among elected officials representing their constituents, trying to come to an agreed upon standard for the flow of traffic. What's more, the highway only exists in the first place because your taxes go toward their safe upkeep. What cracks me up are the arguments among the autobahn-advocates trying to argue that their system is safer. The fatality rate among crash victims in Germany is actually much higher than the U.S. and just ask them about the kinds of traffic tie ups their high speed accidents cause. You'd be losing a hell of a lot more than 22 minutes of your life there.
192 posted on 03/05/2006 1:47:27 PM PST by George Snuffleupagus
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To: P-Marlowe
(172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631

OK, I am sure that is arithmetically accurate and I see pi there, but the meaning?...

193 posted on 03/05/2006 1:48:12 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: cabojoe

ps: thanks for posting the link


194 posted on 03/05/2006 1:48:51 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: freedumb2003
These kids are 100% right. No one wants anyone to drive the legal limit. It is a fiction put out there to appease the Envirowhackos.

I certainly want people to drive the legal limit and I think 55 mph should be the maximum until we're out of Iraq. If a soldier is going to get shot at while we're rollin' like there ain't no tomorrah, the least we can do is take steps here to keep those terrorists and insurgents targeting the oil infrastructure in Iraq from trying to grab the U.S. by it's nads.
195 posted on 03/05/2006 1:52:55 PM PST by George Snuffleupagus
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To: sheik yerbouty

Me too! And all I want to know is where the proverbial 'road rager' was when the traffic behind these little pricks of academia needed him!


196 posted on 03/05/2006 1:54:58 PM PST by TeddyCon
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To: Looking4Truth
"They were lucky no one got shot."

True. I know a lot of people who would have been tempted.

Carolyn

197 posted on 03/05/2006 1:58:06 PM PST by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: George Snuffleupagus
The problem is that you are making your case from a visceral sense of what you deem to be safe vs. an open public discussion among elected officials representing their constituents, trying to come to an agreed upon standard for the flow of traffic. What's more, the highway only exists in the first place because your taxes go toward their safe upkeep.

In many cases, traffic engineers have designed the roads to be safely navigable at 75mph during good weather. But the state can get much more revenue if it can fine/tax people who want to actually go that fast.

What cracks me up are the arguments among the autobahn-advocates trying to argue that their system is safer. The fatality rate among crash victims in Germany is actually much higher than the U.S. and just ask them about the kinds of traffic tie ups their high speed accidents cause. You'd be losing a hell of a lot more than 22 minutes of your life there.

Autobahn speeds are often over 100mph, are they not? Indeed, from what I understand, on the autobahn many drivers routinely go faster than some vehicles are capable of safely going, creating significant speed differentials.

One principle that can be formulated various ways, but should generally apply to traffic rulemaking is this: Most people are reasonable and prudent. If most people on a stretch of road are doing something, that's a pretty good prima facie indicator that such an activity is reasonably safe. Obviously there are exceptions, but it's generally true.

Note that people's actions in the absense of a particular law may be a barometer for what's considered safe, but the presence of a law or perceived ruthless enforcement thereof may alter people's behavior in a manner not required for safety.

198 posted on 03/05/2006 2:11:16 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: freedumb2003
OK, I am sure that is arithmetically accurate and I see pi there, but the meaning?...

1 Cubit = 18 inches.
One handsbreadth = 4 inches.

Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

199 posted on 03/05/2006 3:55:21 PM PST by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: freedumb2003
OK, I am sure that is arithmetically accurate and I see pi there, but the meaning?...

Not sure exactly. It suggests that 172 degrees is very nearly 3 radians, or that pi is very neary 135/43. Nice small fraction, but not sure what obscuring it with bigger numbers is good for.

Personally, I like an observation by Tom Duff (creator of Duff's Device): "Pi seconds is a nanocentury." Actually, it's 0.995531902 nanocenturies, but still pretty close.

200 posted on 03/05/2006 4:31:34 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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