Los Angeles' Cardinal Mahony urges support of immigrants

AP on Yahoo ^ | 3/1/06 | Peter Prengaman - ap

[peggybac]

Just one of a thousand reasons why I left Los Angeles and returned to Kansas.

[KittyKares]

What is Kansas like? I may want to get out of here one day myself.

[no dems]

"Sometimes I wonder why I'm catholic."

With all due respect, after all of the sexual abuse imposed on little boys by so many Catholic Priests, I don't see how anyone could still be a Catholic.

Sorry, but every Catholic Priest I see, I wonder..........

[henbane]

Mahoney: "What we have now is broken and invites violation."
"I would say to all priests, deacons and members of the church that we are not going to observe this law" said Mahony, speaking in Spanish.

Looks like Mahoney is broadcasting the seeds of anarchy throughout his flock.

His underwriting of blatant lawlessness is shameful and represents a direct attack on the legal foundation of this nation.

Naked sedition fomented from the pulpit by a Prince of the Church.

[peggybac]

I live in a suburb of KC on the Kansas side. I was born and raised here but spent the last 18 years in Los Angeles. Although I miss my work, the ocean and Gladstones4Fish, I'm so glad to be back in a red state where "my kind" thrive. Everyone speaks English, flags fly in abundance, manners prevail, and as the Country song "Corn Fed" says, "we live by the golden rule, yes ma'am, thank you." God bless flyover country.

[trubluolyguy]

Cardinal Roger M. Mahony called on Roman Catholics Wednesday to embrace immigrants regardless of their legal status

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I almost said KMA to this but honestly I don't think I'd want him back there.

[trubluolyguy]

Congress, in it's cowardice, has now decided to try to make priests and ministers its bagmen in pursuing illegals.

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Let's not out and out lie here, almost NO ONE in congress wants ANYONE to pursue illegals.

[fatima]

Thanks for the post NormsRevenge.

[lonewacko_dot_com]

One way to (further) discredit Mahoney is to point out that what he wants does more harm than good:

http://lonewacko.com/blog/archives/004709.html

[son of caesar]

With all due respect, the Catholic church is about as liberal an organization as there is. For everyone else that is. For themselves, its a cronyists dream. What is quite amusing to me is that God clearly speaks to these issues in his Instruction manual, seems I recall something about God saying he sets the boundaries of nations as he wishes. Mahoney is the furthest thing from a God fearing person that you can get. I wonder how old his date was last night?

[CBart95]

All this vehemence and personal attacks on the person
just discredits those who disagree. (It backfires!)

The stupidity of their positions on the subject and the failure of judgement really ought to be sufficient.

Wallowing in hatred and hyperbole on an issue this obvious ends up making those who disagree seem like radical Muslim terrorists...but then again, is that who you really are?

I for one refuse to be part of a rabble that appears to be worse than the people they appear to oppose.

[bert]

He is spouting the Vatican talking points. He is creating a Church mandated course where none really exists.

[Mr. Mojo]

Let's not out and out lie here

That would deprive the poster in question of all his ammo...

[tbird5]

Yes, it's so hard to be a catholic, yet I'm sure it has always been hard going all the way back when Jesus was born and established the church. Many followed Him and the church he established but most left and continue to leave. I'm not one to leave no matter how nutty the bishops are here in the US.

[clawrence3]

So, Mojo, you think there is no provision included in the immigration bill recently passed by the House of Representatives (a similar proposal is in the version that the Senate Judiciary Committee plans to debate) that would require churches and other social organizations to ask immigrants for legal documentation before providing assistance and penalize them if they refuse to do so?

[Truthsearcher]

It would not be vaguely unconstitutional, it would be completely so.

The Church is a private organization, imagine if there was a law that said you cannot invide friends over to your house unless you first asked for their papers to ensure they're legal.

[Mr. Mojo]

I'm sure such a provision does indeed exist, and I agree with you that gov't should stay the hell out of church biz. I was taking issue with the assertion that the "cowardly" members of Congress who've been consistently/aggressively fighting the battle against illegal immigration have decided to make priests and ministers their "bagmen" when in fact they've been fighting this war on all fronts -- border security, ending welfare for illegals, fining employers who hire them, etc. So it's not like they're cowards - at least the ones in question - who've been avoiding tackling the issue head-on.

But again, we agree that this particular measure - getting the churches involved - is wrong.

[clawrence3]

I took the "bagmen" comment to be directly aimed at this provision - so maybe we don't all disagree afterall.

[clawrence3]

So, you agree Cardinal Mahony could legitimately call for civil disobedience on that provision?

[Mr. Mojo]

Oh well, maybe there's just been a misundertanding all the way around here...

Anyway, it's a ridiculous privision because even if the church does succeed in identifying illegals it barely scratches the surface of the (immense) problem. The only way to successfully confront this is to do what I mentioned above (and what certain courageous members of Congress have been lobbying for) - heavily fine employers who hire illegals and cut off illegals' socal welfare benefits. The result: A mass immigration back to their countries of origin. No need for rounding up, detaining, or deporting. ....or church involvement.