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1 posted on 03/01/2006 11:33:35 AM PST by Reagan Man
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To: Stellar Dendrite; dirtboy; yellowdoghunter

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2 posted on 03/01/2006 11:35:30 AM PST by Reagan Man (Secure our borders;punish employers who hire illegals;stop all welfare to illegals)
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To: Reagan Man

Interesting article.

Have you read Andrew McCarthy's article that was posted on National Review Online? He covers a lot of the same territory - but it's still a good read.

Here's the link:

http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200603010741.asp

My reservations about the Ports deal continue to grow and grow.


3 posted on 03/01/2006 11:43:24 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: Reagan Man
I bet we will be able to count the substantive arguments against this articles premise on one hand. Or maybe none at all. Usually those supporting the ports deal, just read the playbook, or call names.

This deal on the ports, would allow the Country and its rulers, to operate port terminals in America. Not companies based overseas, but countries that are sovereign nations.

4 posted on 03/01/2006 11:47:04 AM PST by jeremiah (The biggest threat to Americas survival today, meth usage.)
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7 posted on 03/01/2006 12:08:08 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (UAE-- Funds HAMAS and CAIR, check my homepage [UPDATED FREQUENTLY])
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To: Reagan Man

Irrstional irrelevanvies. A collossal out pouring of smoke.


11 posted on 03/01/2006 12:17:27 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Once an Eagle....always an Eagle)
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To: Reagan Man

Most likely the Emir's subject would elect bin Laden's clone, if they could.

We should confront this fact sooner, rather than later. So we can get prepared correctly.

We may need a procurement order for WMDs sufficient to break previous records.


15 posted on 03/01/2006 12:25:25 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Reagan Man
When should we as a country work with other countries to encourage change, and when should we just refuse to cooperate with other countries until they do everything we think they should do?

I've seen lots of articles from Human Events mocking Bush's attempts to spread democracy. However, if Bush works with a country that isn't a Democracy, he gets slammed for that as well.

People in the UAE have considerably more freedoms than they do in most other Arab countries. They are not a democracy. Their people are not free to express themselves by our standards. However, it's much better than other Arab countries.

So should we work with the UAE to improve on such issues? Should we work with the UAE to combat terrorism? Should we take our common goals and use them to encourage them to change over time? Or should we shun them and forgo any mutually beneficial cooperation that may help us and encourage them to change?

It's easy to criticize. It's hard to make real choices and do what's best.

16 posted on 03/01/2006 12:28:25 PM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: Reagan Man

None of this stuff matters to that crowd. I did have a fun time going back into peoples posts who are for the deal and finding things like "there is no moderate muslim", etc. The twisting people can do when they are given an order is mind-boggling.


17 posted on 03/01/2006 12:29:41 PM PST by notigar
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To: Reagan Man
Every time we have gotten in bed with a dictatorship it has eventually burned us whether it was in the Middle East or South America. The whole continent ends up hating us.

The next big bite in the butt will probably come from propping up a dictator in Pakistan. Saudi Arabia or maybe Egypt will come after that. UAE, to date, seems to be a little more enlightened then most of those scumbags but they are dictators nonetheless and eventually their people are going to demand some self determination and are going to resent our economic support of their oppressors. I frankly won't much blame them but I'll still be pissed when they blow up one of our ships or New York City.

22 posted on 03/01/2006 12:58:18 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Reagan Man
My understanding of the argument is as follows:

Without U.S consent to this port deal, the moderate Muslim dictators will think we don't trust them. This will cause them to go right over the edge, and join in with the Muslim extremists, for not getting rewarded with our confidence...and it will be ALL our fault, because of OUR Islamo-phobia! ;^)

25 posted on 03/01/2006 1:27:46 PM PST by FBD (surf's up....way up!)
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To: Reagan Man; untrained skeptic
Last Tuesday, Bush lauded the Emirates as our “ally in the war on terror”... But he said not a word about spreading liberty and democracy to the Emirates.

They would be an "ally" if they are feeding us intel on our enemies, and allowing our operatives to operate there freely. (It does not obviously follow, though, that they should be running our ports).

The remark about spreading liberty to the Emirates is a non sequitur, though. We favor liberty everywhere (and as arab countries go, the UAE is about as good as it gets). But we only impose it in cases where we have overthrown the established regime. If we decide to invade the UAE, and hang the princes, you can imagine we will promote elections there.

We didn't invade Afghanistan in order to establish democracy, we went in to get rid of the Taliban. But, with them gone, we are taking some pains to leave something better than what we found. Not doing so after after we ejected the Soviets led us to where we were in September of 2001. Similarly, in Iraq, we didn't invade to establish multiparty elections, but so we could hang Saddam. But again, in hopes of avoiding the immediate rise of another Saddam, we are trying to leave something better. The jury is still out whether it will work or not.

26 posted on 03/01/2006 1:52:15 PM PST by marron
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To: Reagan Man; All
The UAE has a population of a little more than 4 million. Most reside in large cities of less than 800 thousand people either by the sea or a oasis. The rest of UAE is sand and rock and is not habitable. The population growth since 1900 is mostly by immigration and is composed of many ethnic groups. A large part are Pakistanis and Indians and many are American. Before the discovery of oil in 1960 they were already prosperous by trade and enterprise.

They have a Army of 65,000 and most are stationed in Dubai. Most of the troops are borrowed or rented from other nations like Pakistan, Jordan or Egypt. All officers of the core guard must be UAE citizens. The Army's sole objective is to protect the Emirates and government. The air force is 3500 and has purchase F-16's and mirage jets from the US and France to patrol the coast line. The navy has 12 patrol boats that protect the Dubai port by sea. They possess no nuclear capability nor do they appear to be seeking one. They have not fought a war although their government has supported others politically and by funding.

The Dubai port is one of the largest, most modern and secure ports in the world. It has always been the base of their economy since 1900.

Recently there has been a startling revelation. The UAE, ~4 million terrorists of mostly Muslim faith are going to attack the ports of the largest superpower in the world. They will then defend themselves with a rented army.

Its a most sinister plot. They are going to have DP (a shipping company owned by Dubai) buy up the ports and security and install their own terrorists (our president agrees with this. and it is proved by FR threads). Then they are going to smuggle all types of nuclear weapons (they do not possess) and other devious weapons they must possess into the ports by containers. Its a complicated plan because all containers from Dubai are inspected and the manifests noted by another incompetent US security force (they have both radiation and X-ray detection) before the containers leave Dubai.

You might ask then how can the attack occur. It's simple, once the ships leave the Dubai ports the terrorists will immediately kill all merchant seamen who are not terrorists. Although there are back ground checks on all merchant seamen by US security the terrorist merchant seamen will not be detected because American security is incompetent. Then the terrorists will unload the containers and throw the goods in the sea to make room. Allah will then provide, He will moon-drop all types of nuclear weapons (that don't yet exist) and unheard of weapons in the containers. Allah will then provide a cloaking device to shield the weapons. This is necessary because useless American security starts tracking ships as far as 30 hrs. out of port. Since all containers from the ME ports are checked by radiation and x-rays terrorists have to be careful. Useless American security often stops these ships 9 miles out of port with hand-held radiation detectors. and all the containers must go throught security at the port. The cloaking device will make the weapons go away and then they will reappear when the inspections are done. When the containers are far in the ports the cloaking device will be removed and America will be blown up. Simple. The US will then attack the UAE and be defeated by the 64,000 rented army of the UAE.

This is a good plan, Bush should have seen it but he is in the pockets of UAE. My granddad told me he had seen similar plans and they would have worked if implemented. I am not the only one that thinks this. I have two sources at Shady Pines (rest home for insane former Government employees) that agree with my facts. We must kill them first or we are doomed. Bush's attacks on terrorists is only a ploy to deceive us, he is in their pocket and will stand with them. Stop him before he kills us all.

29 posted on 03/01/2006 3:07:16 PM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: Reagan Man
The Bush admin is implimenting plans laid down during the Reign of Emperor Clintonius.

So ya....this link below is from Rense and it is Bush Bash...and may have some slant to it.
Yet if 20% of the substance of the article is true....Afghanistan is a major con/scheme.

Allready UAE ports deal is pealed back to reveal ceedy side of money in action.
and incidentally....Neil Bush turns up with Dubai...and Bridas Argentina [Afghan pipeline].
coincidence?

We Do Not Have Clean Hands In Afghanistan

30 posted on 03/01/2006 5:14:58 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: Reagan Man
Dubai funds Neil Bush's company
Posted: February 27, 2006 WorldNetDaily

Investors from the United Arab Emirates helped fund the $23 million Neil Bush raised for Ignite!, the learning systems company that holds lucrative No Child Left Behind Act contracts in Florida and Texas. The "Cow" is an Ignite! portable computer designed to work in a classroom, providing interactive instruction aimed at improving students' scores on standardized tests. If you loved Billy Carter and "Billy Beer," you're certain to love Neil Bush and the "Ignite! Cow."

Neil Bush's frequent travels to Dubai are documented by Datamatix, a Dubai-based information technology company that has featured Neil Bush as a speaker. The Datamatix website features several prominent photographs of Neil Bush addressing a Dubai conference, identifying Neil Bush as "the brother of U.S. President George Bush."

Dubai's Datamatix appears to be bipartisan, as the company's website also shows Dubai appearances of various Democratic Party luminaries including Al Gore (with and without a beard), Sandy Berger – the National Security Adviser under President Clinton who achieved fame by stuffing classified documents in his socks – and Howard Dean, the current Democratic National Committee chairman. The site also shows photographs of Tipper Gore and John Sununu receiving "Token of Appreciation" awards in Dubai from Datamatix. Anti-Bush Internet websites have been touting the Neil Bush connection with Dubai for months, although the story has been largely shut out of the mainstream media. (See Debbie Schlussel's Feb. 23, 2006, column, "Something's Rotten in Dubai.")

Many times over, Neil Bush has won the distinction of being the "black sheep" of the Bush family. In 1988, Neil Bush was a director of the failed Silverado Savings and Loan, which collapsed in a scandal that ultimately cost taxpayers an estimated $1 billion. For his role in the savings and loan debacle, Neil Bush was personally fined and permanently banned from any further activities in banking. In a messy divorce ending a 23-year marriage with Sharon Bush, the mother of his children, Neil Bush gave a deposition in which he admitted multiple sex romps with Oriental prostitutes during his many "business trips" to Asia.

Reports also document Neil Bush traveling around the ex-Soviet Union to raise money for Ignite! with the notorious Boris Berezovsky, a Russian wheeler-dealer who has sought asylum in London to avoid Russian authorities who want to prosecute him for fraud. Bush has also turned up in the Philippines and Taiwan at the side of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, the head of the controversial Unification Church. State Department and White House spokespersons often disavow any comment when pressed to respond to reports of Neil Bush's business activities. In a separate business venture involving semiconductors, Neil Bush took investment money from Jiang Mianheng, the son of former Chinese President Jiang Zemin.

Neil Bush is hardly the first to trade on the name of his president brother. We all remember Donald Nixon, who took a $200,000 never-repaid loan from Howard Hughes to establish a failed chain of hamburger joints, known as "Nixonburgers." Then, there was Billy Carter who took $200,000 from Muammar Gadhafi to lobby Jimmy Carter to release embargoed C-130 airplanes to Libya. Also, Roger Clinton, who spent a year in prison for dealing cocaine, surfaced in "Pardongate" by arguing as Clinton left the White House to get pardons for a rogue's gallery of his clients, including Rosario Gambino, a jailed New Jersey restaurant owner with ties to organized crime.

As investigative reporters start digging to "follow the money" in what is becoming known as the "Dubai Debacle," Neil Bush is certain to find center stage once again in what well could be also dubbed the coming "Neil-gate" controversy.

31 posted on 03/01/2006 7:28:54 PM PST by Light Speed
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To: Reagan Man
If you could know for certain that UAE officials no longer consort with Osama bin Laden (as The 9/11 Commission Report -- see pages 137-139 -- says they did before September 11, 2001),...

I am not at all willing to take 9/11 Commission Report as gospel. Although officially bipartisan, the Commission showed an extraordinary tendency to believe what would advance the Democratic agenda. Did the hunting party with bin Laden really happen, or did somebody invent it for reasons of his own?

32 posted on 03/01/2006 10:25:28 PM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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