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Utah House kills evolution bill
Fort Wayne Journal Gazette ^ | 28 February 2006 | JENNIFER DOBNER

Posted on 02/28/2006 4:05:45 AM PST by PatrickHenry

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To: CarolinaGuitarman

:>)

And here we are discussing theology....who'd a thunk it?

If they had latitude in behavior, and if God is absolutely omniscient, then God could have foreseen everything as in a preview, and then made necessary adaptations according to a plan to accomplish a desired end.

The flood would have been one of those adaptations. (So would the cross of Calvary.)

Again, God's desired end was more important than the cost along the way. I was worth the cost of His own Son's life.


761 posted on 02/28/2006 8:01:17 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Pray for Our Troops!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"Are you prepared mathematically to back up this assertion? Let's do the math."

Let's do the genetics instead. It's genetically impossible.

"First of all there were 8 people who were products of a world history of nearly a thousand years. Do you really think they were all directly related?"

Yes. There was Noah and his family.

"Secondly, even if it were only Adam and Eve, the genetic concentration from the first humans would eliminate fears that we currently associate with inbreeding."

Nonsense. You are ignoring the entire field of genetics.


762 posted on 02/28/2006 8:05:57 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: js1138; Fester Chugabrew
Apparently you can fit the facts to fit your imagination:

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763 posted on 02/28/2006 8:07:13 PM PST by phantomworker (It doesn’t matter what other people think or feel or say. “You are the only person who defines you.")
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To: xzins

"If they had latitude in behavior, and if God is absolutely omniscient, then God could have foreseen everything as in a preview, and then made necessary adaptations according to a plan to accomplish a desired end."

He could have done all of this before he created mankind, but he didn't.

"The flood would have been one of those adaptations. (So would the cross of Calvary.)"

Only if God is cruel and capricious.

"Again, God's desired end was more important than the cost along the way. I was worth the cost of His own Son's life."

And humankind be damned.


764 posted on 02/28/2006 8:07:59 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
There was Noah and his family.

I count my in-laws as family. Do you?

765 posted on 02/28/2006 8:09:24 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: phantomworker

How imaginative.


766 posted on 02/28/2006 8:10:21 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Problems with a Global Flood, Second Edition, by Mark Isaak

This is for the lurkers.

I have more data from my own research if anyone is interested.

767 posted on 02/28/2006 8:11:58 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
"I count my in-laws as family. Do you?"

The alleged survivors of the ark were even more closely related than in-laws. It is impossible for 8 people, most of them in the same nuclear family, to be the ancestors of 6 billion people.
768 posted on 02/28/2006 8:13:21 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Right Wing Professor
I posted the Vulgate and a literal translation in 463. I'd post the original Greek, except it would have to be a picture, since I doubt FR accomodates the Greek alphabet.

It has nothing to do with FR's server. It'll spit out whatever is proper HTML.
It's up to the user to have the glyphs installed, unknown character will show up as high lighted question marks.

The Textus Receptus translation of Mark 7:31 is:

και παλιν εξελθων εκ των οριων τυρου και σιδωνος ηλθεν προς την θαλασσαν της γαλιλαιας ανα μεσον των οριων δεκαπολεως

769 posted on 02/28/2006 8:20:20 PM PST by dread78645 (Intelligent Design. It causes people to misspeak)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
The alleged survivors of the ark were even more closely related than in-laws.

How do you know? I find it mildly amusing for someone of your stature to tell me what is impossible. Lots of people have told me what is "impossible." Many have spoken the word "impossible" only to eat their words at a later date. At bottom, however, you are just spouting the word.

770 posted on 02/28/2006 8:21:41 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew

"How do you know?"

Because the Bible says so.

"Lots of people have told me what is "impossible." Many have spoken the word "impossible" only to eat their words at a later date. At bottom, however, you are just spouting the word."

And you are ignoring basic genetics.


771 posted on 02/28/2006 8:23:05 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: dread78645
You sure its not:

και παλιν εξελθων εκ των οριων τυρου και σιδωνος ηλθεν προς την θαλασσαν της γαλιλαιας ανα μεσον των ορι μων δεκαπολεως

???

772 posted on 02/28/2006 8:24:12 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Fester Chugabrew; CarolinaGuitarman
Are you prepared mathematically to back up this assertion? Let's do the math.

(Already been done)

773 posted on 02/28/2006 8:24:36 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Coyoteman

You supply that link as a serious rebuttal to the account of a world wide deluge when the first objection is that the boat was made of wood. What natural substance would be better suited to the task? Is the author of this rebuttal even slightly aware that instructions were given to coat the wood both inside and out?


774 posted on 02/28/2006 8:27:48 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
And rebuttals for the other points? There are dozens of other points for you to respond to before I can take the flood story seriously. One response is just not enough when there is such massive evidence staring you in the face--if you would just see it.

And if all of that is not enough, let me know. I have some of my own research to contribute as well.

But not tonight. Its late and I haven't shaved. I'll check back in the morning. Night all!

775 posted on 02/28/2006 8:36:40 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: wyattearp
The author of this post says, "I really wish to know exactly how you resolve the question of how the earth managed to get repopulated quickly enough to allow the rise of Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Chinese culture in the years immediately following the Flood."

Why must the population be at a certain level "immediately following the flood?" I sense a straw man. I generally consider the pyramids of Egypt, for example, to be products of pre-flood civilization.

Maybe you use "talkorigins" as your own kind of biblical text. I prefer texts that are better rooted in history and fact.

776 posted on 02/28/2006 8:38:21 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Coyoteman
There are dozens of other points for you to respond to . . .

I count eleven, one short of a dozen. Good heavens, one would think the fellow would present his strongest, most compelling point first. After all, he's an evangelist.

777 posted on 02/28/2006 8:43:13 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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Listening to the Crickets Chirp...


778 posted on 02/28/2006 8:50:40 PM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Why must the population be at a certain level "immediately following the flood?"

Because we know the dates of certain aspects of those civilizations; when the pyramids were built, when the cities rose and fell in Mesopotamia, India, China, etc.

Since you disagree with the dating of the pyramids (at the very least), just ignore them and focus on the Tower of Babel. The date of the Tower of Babel comes from the Bible itself, as a certain number of generations after the flood. That is why the programmer who wrote this stopped the run after the date of the Tower of Babel. There was no way that the earth's population had gotten large enough for that incident to have occurred.

BTW, I do not use talkorigins as a "biblical text". It is a site that contains a large wealth of information, that's all.

779 posted on 02/28/2006 8:53:04 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: wyattearp

I am given to understand the generations denoted in the biblical texts are not necessarily contiguous but general ascriptions so that we know the texts have a sound basis in history. Hence the dating of the Tower of Babel is subject to uncertainty, as is your friend's programming in relation to potential re-population.


780 posted on 02/28/2006 8:58:15 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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