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Quebec priests challenge Vatican on homosexuality
CBC ^ | Feb 27, 2006

Posted on 02/27/2006 1:12:04 PM PST by proud_yank

A group of 19 Roman Catholic priests from Quebec has published an open letter criticizing the church's stand on homosexuality.

INDEPTH: Same-sex Rights

The 980-word letter, published Sunday in the Montreal newspaper La Presse, is in response to two recent church decisions: the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops' opposition to same-sex marriage and the Vatican's refusal to ordain homosexuals.

Titled "Trop, c'est trop!" ("Enough is enough!"), the letter asks: Does the church "have the last word on the mysteries of political, social, family and sexual life?

"In these matters, the official teaching of the church has shown itself more than once to be wrong," the letter warns.

FROM NOV. 29, 2005: Vatican says no to gay men in priesthood

In its first major policy announcement since Pope Benedict's election, the Vatican in November barred men with "deep-seated homosexual tendencies" from entering the priesthood.

However, the Quebec priests who signed the letter dispute the Vatican's position that homosexual acts are "immoral and contrary to the natural law," writing that throughout human history, mankind has evolved and redefined what is natural to them. The church's views must reflect human evolution, said the priests.

Archbishop expects 'discussion' on letter

Sherbrooke Archbishop André Gaumond, who is also the president of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops, said he wasn't surprised that the 19 priests had decided to go public with their opinion.

He appreciated that the letter had a polite and in a non-aggressive tone, he added in an interview with CBC.

"I'm not very happy with the means, to have a public declaration, a public article in the newspaper on a Sunday morning to say, 'We priests are not in accord with our church,'" he added.

"I'm not very happy with that, but it's not a reason to throw them out of the church."

Gaumond said the issue will be discussed at a meeting of Catholic bishops of Quebec in about 10 days.

"What will be the result of our discussion, I do not know, but well, life is going on."

Priests who penned letter hope for dialogue

One of the letter's authors, Rev. Claude Lefebvre, said he's not sure what the group expects the letter to accomplish, but hopes it will open up dialogue on the issues.

Lefebvre said the church must reconsider its attitude towards homosexuals or it will not remain credible.

Another author, Rev. Raymond Gravel, said some priests who oppose the Vatican's position didn't sign the letter, fearing it would cause problems with their superiors.

This is a divisive issue within the church, according to Gregory Baum, a retired professor of religious studies.

"A church that is international, that is universal, has a much more difficult time to adapt to changing circumstances because it exists in so many different cultures," he told CBC in an interview.

Baum said conservative church factions in Europe and Africa disagree with open-minded dioceses in some parts of North America.


TOPICS: Canada; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: canada; childmolester; gay; gayrecruiters; homo; homorights; homosexualagenda; moleters; religion; vatican
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Yeah, churches need to get with the times and become more mainstream & 'tolerant' /sarc
1 posted on 02/27/2006 1:12:06 PM PST by proud_yank
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To: proud_yank

canada.. figures!


2 posted on 02/27/2006 1:13:45 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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Does the church "have the last word on the mysteries of political, social, family and sexual life?

Well put it this way....you would have been burned at the stake for even asking that question at an earlier point in time.

You would also be minus a head if you'd happen to ask that today in parts of the middle east.

3 posted on 02/27/2006 1:15:38 PM PST by lovecraft (Specialization is for insects.)
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To: proud_yank
Why don't perverts start their own queer church?

I guess they don't want to step on the toes of Muslims.

4 posted on 02/27/2006 1:15:48 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: proud_yank
After-all, The Bible is only a guide-line or contains recommendations.

The Bible is a living, breathing document, right?

/sarcasm

5 posted on 02/27/2006 1:18:49 PM PST by TexasCajun
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Why don't perverts start their own queer church?

I'd hate to think what 'receiving communion' would entail!
6 posted on 02/27/2006 1:18:52 PM PST by proud_yank (Liberalism - The 'Culture of Ignorance'.)
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To: proud_yank

oh my


7 posted on 02/27/2006 1:20:09 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: proud_yank

These same priest have been silent, as far as I know, on the coninual meddling in people's lives by the muslim religion. I guess it is ok to mess with people's sexual lives if you are muslim but not if Catholic. What jerks. They are either priests or not, if they are let them abide by the tenets of their religion and hold all Catholics to the same tenets.


8 posted on 02/27/2006 1:21:14 PM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind and, BTW, Stå sammen med danskerne !)
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To: proud_yank

now stop that! LOL eek!


9 posted on 02/27/2006 1:21:36 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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To: proud_yank

now stop that! LOL eek!


10 posted on 02/27/2006 1:21:40 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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To: calex59

Oops. On post 8 coninual=continual. Spell check is my friend!(repeats this 2000 times)


11 posted on 02/27/2006 1:22:30 PM PST by calex59 (seeing the light shouldn't make you go blind and, BTW, Stå sammen med danskerne !)
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To: proud_yank
Does the church "have the last word on the mysteries of political, social, family and sexual life?

At least when it comes to priests who have taken a vow of obedience, OF COURSE IT DOES.

And next time, capitalize "the Church," you silly poofters.

12 posted on 02/27/2006 1:22:39 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: proud_yank; RunningWolf
The church's views must reflect human evolution, said the priests.

Hey, Running, I'm no Catholic, but even I can see the foxes in their henhouse on this one. And we even know the species!

13 posted on 02/27/2006 1:25:06 PM PST by bvw
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I'd hate to think what 'receiving communion' would entail!

The end justifies the means.

14 posted on 02/27/2006 1:26:08 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: proud_yank

Those former Catholic Priests should join a heretical church! They are not Catholic anymore IMHO.


15 posted on 02/27/2006 1:26:36 PM PST by olezip
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The Canadian _Progessive_ priests prove that what is Progress to them is NOT progress to the majority.. man oh man.. they need to form their own church is right!


16 posted on 02/27/2006 1:29:53 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts ("Liberals see what they believe... Conservatives believe what they see")
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To: bvw
I hear you!

And look what the Pope says today on another topic

life begins at the moment of conception, saying embryos are "sacred and inviolable" even before they become implanted in a mother's uterus.

Wolf
17 posted on 02/27/2006 1:30:37 PM PST by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: proud_yank

"Does the church "have the last word on the mysteries of political, social, family and sexual life?"

No. But it sure as heck does on matters of faith and morality - at the least the last time I checked for the Catholic Church.

If you can't follow the rules, leave and start your own church - like the Church of Sanctified Sodomy. Its really amazing how far out of line with orthodoxy North American Christian churches of all flavors have strayed. In many respects they are far more "liberal" on these subjects thant he overhwleming mass of their adherents.

Maybe that wacko radio minister IS right - the age of churches IS over. And the anti-Christ is Islam.


18 posted on 02/27/2006 1:32:40 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: proud_yank

What was that line in "See You in September" by the HAPPENINGS? Oh, yeah,"Bye Bye! So long! Farewell!" These jokers have forgotten who their Pope is is. Debates over. Buh bye!


19 posted on 02/27/2006 1:35:41 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: RunningWolf

what you cannot see, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, God can make something sacred just by breathing on it, his detailed blueprint on making people to His image and likeness starts with the start, embryos are sacred as they are made by God, I had a ndexp went to one of the seven heavens, if I could speak telepathically, then embryos are sacred BEFORE they were in human tissue, if you try elevating your mind, you will see


20 posted on 02/27/2006 1:36:43 PM PST by Keisha
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