Posted on 02/27/2006 6:14:47 AM PST by SuzyQ2
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If northern liberals and their southern collaborator allies were not trying to force this new one generation old warped view of Southern heritage on us down here we would be perfectly fine to let sleeping dogs lie. We long ago came home to the Union but that doesn't not mean we will EVER reject our kin....NEVER....would you? I hope not.
But the PC forces at work want to extinguish all Southern regional pride and demonize my ancestry.
What would you do under the same pressures?
We have no choice....especially when these same folks are the enemy on every other cultural issue in our time. Scratch a South basher and you find very little real conservativism and a whole lot of identity based ideology.
The fact that some FReepers join in this PC revision chorus is not very encouraging.
We are defending out heritage...good or bad.
I know of no Southerner wishing to push our views on Southern heritage on others. It's our's anyhow. Non-Southerners are welcome to move on to getting cranky over Indian affairs or mistreating immigrants or some other cause to latch on to.
BTTT....good for you!
As CDB says: "We might have done a little fightin' among ourselves, but you outsiders best leave us alone"
a. looted & burned churches, hospitals & synagogues,
b. made a routine practice of torturing & killing NON-white & Jewish CSA prisoners,
c. looted & burned public buildings/farms/crops in the field/private residences &
d. committed numerous other criminal acts against The Law of War & COMMON decency,
i cannot understand why ANYBODY defends him.
sherman deserved to hang for his "crimes against humanity" & "crimes against peace".
free dixie,sw
"I don't sit kindly with Sherman apologists any more than I would those supporting radical Islam..."
Read my posts and you will have no beef with me. I was only stating what Sherman did after the war and his thoughts of what he did during the war.
It is interesting the same "might makes right" crowd shows up on other FR threads. They claim the high moral crowd and look down their noses at the Southerner conservatives they seem to drag around like a weight on their ankle.
The "rent-a-mob" group is nothing more than thinly disguised wolves in sheeps clothing: money hungry, globalists who care for little else.
one of the MAIN reasons for secession was that the DYs just wouldn't "tend their own patch" & leave dixie & her people ALONE.
they still WON'T!
free dixie,sw
there were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of rapes,robberies,lootings,arsons, tortures, assaults & COLD-BLOODED murders committed against UNarmed civilians in the southland.
if you were Asian,Black,Female,Indian,Jewish,Latino, Roman Catholic, a recent immigrant and/or POOR, you were an especial target of the "filth that flowed down from the north". (FEW of the "planter aristocracy" were victimized.)
fwiw, at least 92 of my family were raped/robbed/tortured/murdered by the yankee cavalry, ONLY because they were UNarmed, poor & NON-white.
free dixie,sw
You must be reading different history books.
If you want war crimes, see Andersonville.
BTW, shooting and hanging lone Union soldiers out foraging was considered a war crime as was planting "torpedoes" (now called landmines).
My understanding is that the whole "sown salt" thing is another myth that doesn't stand up to the slightest scrutiny. How much salt would it take to destroy a swath of farmland that extensive? How many wagons to haul it? How many men to spread it?
Utterly false. Davis was captured near Irwinville, GA, and he was not wearing a dress. His wife Varina threw a shawl over his shoulders (Lincoln habitually wore a shawl as well, as did many of the period). The garment alleged to be a dress was an overcoat. Here's what Capt. James Capt. James H. Parker, a member of Union General Wilson's staff stated in the Argus of Portland, Maine. [The text was on display at the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond as are Davis' garments when he was captured].
I was with the party that captured Jefferson Davis; saw the whole transaction from its beginning; I now say -- and hope you will publish it - - that Jefferson Davis did not have on at the time he was taken any such garment as is worn by women. He did have over his shoulders a water proof article of clothing -- something like a "Havelock." It was not in the least concealed. He wore a hat, and did not carry a pail of water on his head, nor carry pail, bucket or kettle in any way. To the best of my recollection, he carried nothing whatever in his hands. His wife did not tell any person that her husband might hurt some body if he got exasperated. She behaved like a lady, and he as a gentleman, though manifestly he was chagrined at being taken into custody. Our soldiers behaved like gentlemen, as they were, and our officers like honorable, brave men; and the foolish stories that went the newspaper rounds of the day, telling how wolfishly he deported himself, were all false. I know what I am writing about. I saw Jefferson Davis many times while he was staying in Portland several years ago; and I think I was the first one who recognized him at the time of his arrest.The War Department instructed the union military to appropriate the clothing in question - obviously no such garment was found. It was simply the furtive imagination of Union soldiers and the media in a feeble attempt to discredit the President of the Confederate States of America. Thankfully, the Union officer noted above stepped forward to repudiate the ludicrous and inane claims.When it was known that he was certainly taken, some newspaper correspondent -- I knew his name at the time -- fabricated the story about his disguise in an old woman's dress. I heard the whole matter talked over as a good joke; and the officers who knew better, never took the trouble to deny it. Perhaps they thought the Confederate President deserved all the contempt that could be put upon him. I think so, too; only I would never perpetrate a falsehood that by any means would become history. And, further, I would never slander a woman who has shown so much devotion as Mrs. Davis has to her husband, no matter how wicked he is or may have been.
I defy any person to find a single officer or soldier who was present at the capture of Jefferson Davis who will say, upon honor, that he was disguised in woman's clothes, or that his wife acted in any way unladylike or undignified on that occasion. I go for trying him for his crimes, and, if he is found guilty, punishing him. But I would not lie about him, when the truth will certainly make it bad enough.
[Also cited by Burke Davis, The Long Surrender, New York: Random House, 1985, p. 145].
What about "dying in the last ditch"? Why was he fleeing to Mexico? Why did he still want to continue fight in April 1865?
He supported drafting old men and young kids to fight & die in the trenches out Petersburg, yet he tries run off with his wife. He didn't even resist capture. What a blowhard and a coward.
Here's his address to the People of the Confederate States of America:
Danville, Va., April 4, 1865.
"The General in Chief of our Army has found it necessary to make such movements of the troops as to uncover the capital and thus involve the withdrawal of the Government from the city of Richmond."
"Relieved from the necessity of guarding cities and particular points, important but not vital to our defense, with an army free to move from point to point and strike in detail the detachments and garrisons of the enemy, operating on the interior of our own country, where supplies are more accessible, and where the foe will be far removed from his own base and cut off from all succor in case of reverse, nothing is now needed to render our triumph certain but the exhibition of our own unquenchable resolve. Let us but will it, and we are free; and who, in the light of the past, dare doubt your purpose in the future?"
Of course, Jeff was about to run off to Mexico at this point.
"... I announce to you, fellow-countrymen, that it is my purpose to maintain your cause with my whole heart and soul; that I will never consent to abandon to the enemy one foot of the soil of any one of the States of the Confederacy; that Virginia, noble State, whose ancient renown has been eclipsed by her still more glorious recent history, whose bosom has been bared to receive the main shock of this war,...and by the blessing of Providence, shall be held and defended, and no peace ever be made with the infamous invaders of her homes by the sacrifice of any of her rights or territory."
"If by stress of numbers we should ever be compelled to a temporary withdrawal from her limits, or those of any other border State, again and again will we return, until the baffled and exhausted enemy shall abandon in despair his endless and impossible task of making slaves of a people resolved to be free."
What BS, Davis knew the war was over at that time
Let us not, then, despond, my countrymen; but, relying on the never-failing mercies and protecting care of our God, let us meet the foe with fresh defiance, with unconquered and unconquerable hearts.
Jeff'n Davis.
Pretty bold talk, from a man about runaway with his wife and servants
according to the US ARMY's own official records, there were NO INTENTIONAL war crimes committed at Camp Sumpter,Andersonville, GA (NOT EVEN ONE!).
there was much privation, disease & death, but NO war crimes committed by CSA guard forces.
SORRY, but you & the other DY liars/lunatics/fools LOSE again!
otoh, the north DID have CONCENTRATION CAMPS, where MANY THOUSANDS of CSA POWs & innocent civilians were INTENTIONALLY starved,denied medical attention,denied food & shelter,raped,assaulted,abused, tortured & frequently murdered (just because it was less expensive to kill them than to feed the POWs.)
at just ONE DAMNyanklee DEATH CAMP (Point Lookout,MD), over 15,000 CSA POWs & other "detainees" "mysteriously disappeared" in about 18 months.
free dixie,sw
free dixie,sw
I don't suppose you'd care to tell us just were this alleged cemetery is, would you?
LOL! Amen to that!
Familiar?
Get a load of the keywords these PC bootlickers put up....that about tells it all doesn't?
If you don't bow at their race altar then you are all of that.
man.....and this is conservatism...God help us.
Redress for racial injustice will end us one day. It overwhelms up all truth and serious discussion like a fart in a crowded locker room.
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