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Port Problems Said To Dwarf New Fears
Washington Post ^ | Febuary 24, 2006 | Paul Blustein and Walter Pincus

Posted on 02/23/2006 10:07:38 PM PST by johnmecainrino

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To: CobaltBlue

Actually you also have a false analogy. Since security is run by the Coast Guard(or overseen by them) then it would be exactly like TSA.

Nothing would change except that essentiaaly they would be the one's "managing" the gate.. except wait.. it's run by a union.. so not a single employee would change.

Interesting.


21 posted on 02/24/2006 7:23:45 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: ruiner
Do you feel the same way about foreign airlines operating at US airport terminals?

Impressively concise way of stirring the thought processes. Excellent! (I haven't scrolled further down the thread to see if it was effective but I like the simple way you chose to express a complicated idea.)

22 posted on 02/24/2006 7:51:49 AM PST by arasina (So there.)
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To: Almondjoy
The Coast Guard comes & goes like a substitute teacher looking in on a study hall.

We all know how effective that is.

23 posted on 02/24/2006 8:44:55 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad

What's your point? That security will be the same whether this deal goes through or not?

The security will be just as horrible?

So what's the problem with the deal then? Are you feeding off of paranoia?


24 posted on 02/24/2006 8:48:23 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: norraad
"The Coast Guard comes & goes like a substitute teacher looking in on a study hall."

And you base that tidbit on what real knowledge?

25 posted on 02/24/2006 8:49:45 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Almondjoy
Hoping the "deal" will bring much needed attention to upgrading every aspect of security in general.

W/o this, no hope of detailed focus on this part of the problem.

I see alot of security people just going through the motions.

26 posted on 02/24/2006 8:52:40 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: CWOJackson
Last year an asphalt tanker was allowed to attempt a docking during a lunar low tide.

Even a dingy captain would wait 4 hours for a few feet clearance, but, noooooooo, that would cost a few dollars more in labor & fees.

So they we're allowed to proceed, they hit bottom & spilled "25,000" gallons.

Us dingy captains who actually live & work along the river calculated from the list & tonnage of the ship it was more like 250,000 gallons.

We told the CG who were very mad at us for even having the nerve to talk to them.

Yet, the next day they "revised" the spill estimate to our figures, go figure.

27 posted on 02/24/2006 9:00:45 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad

Well you got something right...dingy captains. There's no need to estimate anything other then for quick information since accurate measurements can be made when time permits. The first concern in a pollution incident is containment of the product, not worrying about other issues not time sensitive.


28 posted on 02/24/2006 9:05:28 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

Thank you for totally missing the point.


29 posted on 02/24/2006 9:07:14 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad

Do you mean your substitute teacher point? I didn't miss it at all.


30 posted on 02/24/2006 9:11:51 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

We weren't protected from a disaster based on simple greed, what hope do we have from perils far more sinister?


31 posted on 02/24/2006 9:12:23 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad
No, You are the one who's missed the point.

If Port Security has been as inadequate as you say, Our ports would have been hit by now and countless cities would have had terrorist bombings. The actual record speaks volumes for what's real, as well as blows huge holes in your Hyper-reactionist theories.

32 posted on 02/24/2006 9:14:44 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If I'm a "BUSHBOT" then that makes you an "ARABAPHOBE")
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To: norraad
And I guess the Coast Guard didn't oversee the cleanup, that they didn't investigate and the Coast Guard didn't fine the owners?

Or would you prefer they simply have blown them out of the water before hand?

33 posted on 02/24/2006 9:16:04 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: xJones

I will grant you the UAE has help us in the WOT. But I am most uneasy about letting any company owned and controlled by a muslim government that level of control and access (on all levels, security, operations, etc.) to any major US port. The more I read about it, both pro and con, the more uneasy I get. I think this is just a unnecessary risk give the situation these days and the level of port security that we have now. A level I believe is woefully lacking. Maybe if it was substancially beefed up I would reconsider, but as of now I am against this to the nth degree.

Also, another point in this whole mess, the complete and utter lack of brains in the handling of this by the administration. The one area Republican could always count on to trump the rats, national security. Now they are seen by many I know to not care about that anymore. They gave teh rats a club to beat them with. And alienated and angered many of their supporters. Thanks George.



34 posted on 02/24/2006 9:19:41 AM PST by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: CWOJackson
Once again, point missers all, what we have here is Failure to communicate.

A lunar low tide means the water is shallower than normal, like so many people I know.

Certain folks in cahoots with other folks were so horny to bring a low rider into port that they gambled our river cleanliness for a few shillings.

You can only imagine what price the rest will bring.

35 posted on 02/24/2006 10:38:04 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad

Of course, we should have blown them out of the water before they did anything.


36 posted on 02/24/2006 10:39:50 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
What's wrong with you, young man?

Calm down,

how about,

" you know, your asphalt scow is drawing 35ft & we have at best 34ft right now, but if we wait a few hours the tide will give us a few more feet."

Wouldn't that be a better procedure?

37 posted on 02/24/2006 10:44:17 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: norraad

I couldn't be any more calm...I don't jump into each hysteria conga line that comes along. But please feel free to thrown your arms in the air, run in circles and scream shrilly.


38 posted on 02/24/2006 10:49:28 AM PST by CWOJackson
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
The actual record speaks volumes for what's real,

In terms of actual record & speaking volumes, please refer to what our founding fathers said about foreign entanglements.

Meanwhile, I'll be trying to slow down the spinning of their graves.

39 posted on 02/24/2006 10:52:47 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: CWOJackson
That's not what I'm doing dude.

I'm "calmly" shedding light on important aspects of the "problem".

40 posted on 02/24/2006 10:54:45 AM PST by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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