Posted on 02/23/2006 10:07:38 PM PST by johnmecainrino
Actually you also have a false analogy. Since security is run by the Coast Guard(or overseen by them) then it would be exactly like TSA.
Nothing would change except that essentiaaly they would be the one's "managing" the gate.. except wait.. it's run by a union.. so not a single employee would change.
Interesting.
Impressively concise way of stirring the thought processes. Excellent! (I haven't scrolled further down the thread to see if it was effective but I like the simple way you chose to express a complicated idea.)
We all know how effective that is.
What's your point? That security will be the same whether this deal goes through or not?
The security will be just as horrible?
So what's the problem with the deal then? Are you feeding off of paranoia?
And you base that tidbit on what real knowledge?
W/o this, no hope of detailed focus on this part of the problem.
I see alot of security people just going through the motions.
Even a dingy captain would wait 4 hours for a few feet clearance, but, noooooooo, that would cost a few dollars more in labor & fees.
So they we're allowed to proceed, they hit bottom & spilled "25,000" gallons.
Us dingy captains who actually live & work along the river calculated from the list & tonnage of the ship it was more like 250,000 gallons.
We told the CG who were very mad at us for even having the nerve to talk to them.
Yet, the next day they "revised" the spill estimate to our figures, go figure.
Well you got something right...dingy captains. There's no need to estimate anything other then for quick information since accurate measurements can be made when time permits. The first concern in a pollution incident is containment of the product, not worrying about other issues not time sensitive.
Thank you for totally missing the point.
Do you mean your substitute teacher point? I didn't miss it at all.
We weren't protected from a disaster based on simple greed, what hope do we have from perils far more sinister?
If Port Security has been as inadequate as you say, Our ports would have been hit by now and countless cities would have had terrorist bombings. The actual record speaks volumes for what's real, as well as blows huge holes in your Hyper-reactionist theories.
Or would you prefer they simply have blown them out of the water before hand?
I will grant you the UAE has help us in the WOT. But I am most uneasy about letting any company owned and controlled by a muslim government that level of control and access (on all levels, security, operations, etc.) to any major US port. The more I read about it, both pro and con, the more uneasy I get. I think this is just a unnecessary risk give the situation these days and the level of port security that we have now. A level I believe is woefully lacking. Maybe if it was substancially beefed up I would reconsider, but as of now I am against this to the nth degree.
Also, another point in this whole mess, the complete and utter lack of brains in the handling of this by the administration. The one area Republican could always count on to trump the rats, national security. Now they are seen by many I know to not care about that anymore. They gave teh rats a club to beat them with. And alienated and angered many of their supporters. Thanks George.
A lunar low tide means the water is shallower than normal, like so many people I know.
Certain folks in cahoots with other folks were so horny to bring a low rider into port that they gambled our river cleanliness for a few shillings.
You can only imagine what price the rest will bring.
Of course, we should have blown them out of the water before they did anything.
Calm down,
how about,
" you know, your asphalt scow is drawing 35ft & we have at best 34ft right now, but if we wait a few hours the tide will give us a few more feet."
Wouldn't that be a better procedure?
I couldn't be any more calm...I don't jump into each hysteria conga line that comes along. But please feel free to thrown your arms in the air, run in circles and scream shrilly.
In terms of actual record & speaking volumes, please refer to what our founding fathers said about foreign entanglements.
Meanwhile, I'll be trying to slow down the spinning of their graves.
I'm "calmly" shedding light on important aspects of the "problem".
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