[Quick1]

If you care enough about a child to be a real father to him, you marry his mother.

Says you. Some of us don't necessarily need marriage to know we've made a committment to one another. Besides, how is it any of yours or the government's business?

[wideawake]

Some of us don't necessarily need marriage to know we've made a committment to one another.

If there is no marriage, there is no commitment.

[rwfromkansas]

You may choose to rebel against societal norms, but don't lecture those of us who stand up for the historic institution of marriage.

Sorry bud, but there is no real commitment without a legal relationship together.

[Darkwolf377]

Besides, how is it any of yours or the government's business?

I'm a conservative on most things, but a libertarian on only a few. One of them is that the government shouldn't even be involved in marriage. (If you're wondering why that's a Libertarian view, just think of all the ways government gets involved in your personal life after you marry.)

Marriage should be a church matter or, in my case, a committment between me and the woman I choose to marry. I don't understand how having the state decide the status of the committment between two people before their god (or not) is a conservative value.

yes, I'm mostly playing devil's advocate. Sort of.

[THEUPMAN]

how is it any of yours or the government's business?

It would be interesting to know where all the income for this "family" comes from.

I have seen more and more people just living with their babies daddy so they can qualify for government goodies.