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Modano goal: whine, not win
NY Daily News ^ | Feburary 23, 2006 | Filip Bondy

Posted on 02/23/2006 6:25:28 AM PST by Hat-Trick

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To: Alberta's Child
.....even though Keith Tkachuk was about as talented and mobile as a garbage dumpster playing on their line.

LOL.
41 posted on 02/23/2006 7:18:29 AM PST by Kokojmudd (Outsource US Senate to Dubai! Put Walmart in charge of all Federal agencies!)
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To: Hat-Trick

44 year old Chris Chelios may have been the best player on the team..


42 posted on 02/23/2006 7:19:21 AM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to propagate her gene pool. Any volunteers?)
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To: Hat-Trick
Mike Modano, assistant captain, said it was because the team didn't have a charter flight and the players' wives weren't taken care of properly. Believe it or not, he seemed to really mean it.

Seems like if he is whining like this, the coach was correct in benching him and saying that the players lacked the desire. They lacked the desire in the last Olympics and they lacked the desire in Torino.

Not good statements to say after sitting out a year and trying to get the sport back on its feet in the US.
43 posted on 02/23/2006 7:21:46 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (The Democrat Party is engulfed in a Culture of Hypocrisy)
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To: kesg
The plain truth is that the best USA players, as a group, simply are not as good as the best players in other countries. This is true both in Olympic hockey and NHL hockey.

Disagree. We more than hold our own with the best teams in the world. We won the silver medal in the 2002 Olympics and the Bronze medal in the 2004 world championships. The US is third overall in Olympic ice hockey medals. In the World under 20 world championships, the US won the gold medal in 2004 and in the under 18 world championships the gold medal in 2002 and 2005 and the sliver medal in 2004.

The percentage of U.S.-born players in the NHL is at its highest point in six seasons. Opening day rosters contained 113 players from the United States, comprising 15.5 percent of the 728 players in the league. That is the highest it has been since 16 percent of players came from the United States in the 1997-98 season. The quality and numbers of US-born hockey players are on the rise. We can compete with the best.

44 posted on 02/23/2006 7:21:49 AM PST by kabar
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To: headsonpikes

Yah I like the Finns for the gold this year too.


45 posted on 02/23/2006 7:22:00 AM PST by MarxSux
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To: ken5050

His age was thoroughly exposed in the game against Slovakia over the weekend. It's one thing for a guy his age to be out-skated by younger, faster players . . . but against Slovakia he got pushed around a lot by guys who were about 5'10" tall and weighed 185 pounds.


46 posted on 02/23/2006 7:22:48 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Hat-Trick
You are correct about goaltending. That's where championships are won and lost.

But, like I told my kids, it seemed like I was watching an old-timers game.

Modano, Chelios, Geurin, Gomez and several others, IMO, are not who we needed in Torino.

We should have gone with younger players, instead of popular names.

To quote Herb Brooks, "The name on the front of the jersey is a hell of a lot more important than the one on the back!"
47 posted on 02/23/2006 7:24:20 AM PST by airborne
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To: Kerretarded
They lacked the desire in the last Olympics and they lacked the desire in Torino.

You must be getting 2002 confused with 1998. Team USA won the silver medal at Salt Lake City in 2002, losing (inevitably, I might add) to Canada in the finals.

48 posted on 02/23/2006 7:25:21 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Hat-Trick
"The talent is there, the personality is there. The hockey part was OK. We played pretty good hockey."

Mike Modano has been a pretty boy since he played here in Minnesota. It has always been all about him.

This was the least talented American team since 1980, in my opinion, by a wide margin. At least in 1984 we had Pat LaFontaine on the team.

Chris Chelios was too old four years ago in Salt Lake. Derian Hatcher is the textbook definition of a "sled". Heck, they could have put Phil Kessel on this team so it would have one player with breakaway speed.

But then, given Team Disappointment's showing all across the Olympics, it's not terribly surprising.

49 posted on 02/23/2006 7:26:58 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("David Gregory: the George Clooney of the press corps." - Mark Steyn)
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To: al_c

Your comments about Modano are a riot. Modano has and always will be a puss and a me me me guy. No one else wanted an old Modano that's why he is still in Dallas.


50 posted on 02/23/2006 7:27:25 AM PST by superfries
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To: Alberta's Child
The current agreement between the international hockey federations and the NHL expires after the 2010 Olympics, and I don't think it's going to be renewed after that.

As long as the Europeans don't send their NHL'ers, I'd like to see it.

51 posted on 02/23/2006 7:28:09 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: airborne
Scott Gomez certainly belonged out there. He may seem like on old-timer because he's been around for a while and has won two Stanley Cups, but he's only about 25 years old and plays very well on the larger international ice surface.

The real problem is that the U.S. has something of a "missing" generation of hockey players in the 20-30 age group. The players over 30 were great in their prime, but not anymore. And the current crop of collegiate players and Under-18 players looks very good, but in between the youngsters and the old-timers there simply isn't a lot of U.S. talent.

52 posted on 02/23/2006 7:28:57 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Hat-Trick

The U.S. couldn't score when given the chances, and they were out-hustled. No U.S. or Canada in the medals this year; good for international hockey, I guess, but embarassing (not as bad as Nagano, but still bad).


53 posted on 02/23/2006 7:30:43 AM PST by kevkrom ("...no one has ever successfully waged a war against stupidity" - Orson Scott Card)
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To: Alberta's Child
"Team USA went into the tournament as the sixth- or seventh-ranked hockey team in the world, if my information is correct. A loss in the quarterfinals sounds just about right."

If they'd played the entire tournament with the intensity of yesterday's final period against the Finns, they'd have won the Gold.

54 posted on 02/23/2006 7:31:41 AM PST by F16Fighter (Government is not reason [but]..a dangerous servant and a fearful master.~ George Washington)
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To: Alberta's Child

My first guess is either Gretz or Super Mario, but knowing your love for the NJ Devils, it's probably Scott Stevens.


55 posted on 02/23/2006 7:33:18 AM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: Hat-Trick
It has nothing to do with individual countries, but with the NHL itself. The Europeans won't be allowed to send "their" NHL players if the NHL doesn't allow these players to go.

The one advantage you'll have with teams like Sweden and Finland is that they'll have some younger players who have NHL-caliber talent but will be playing on their national teams while they fulfill their mandatory military commitments. This is what happened with guys like Mats Sundin and Peter Forsberg (and Teemu Selanne, I think) -- who were NHL-ready at the age of 18 but didn't sign with NHL teams until they were 20 or 21 years old.

56 posted on 02/23/2006 7:33:25 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child

I think a lot of the NHLers see a foreign Olympics largely as a working vacation. This is why you get the big "upsets" by the teams that still have lots of non-NHLers (those being guys that can push the NHLers to stop thinking of it as a vacation). Coming at this point in the NHL schedule, when the fatigue usually starts getting to guys anyway, I think it's pretty hard for a team made up entirely of NHLers to go to Italy and serious think of anything more complex than nice restaurants and the hotel jacuzzi. I think this they did so much better in 02 than 98 and 06, nobody really thinks of Salt Lake City as a great vacation spot, especially not with all the good ski slopes occupied by the game. And with the 2010 games being in an NHL city I expect them to be more focused on the game there (certainly nobody from the Western Conference will mistake the games for a vacation).


57 posted on 02/23/2006 7:34:07 AM PST by discostu (a time when families gather together, don't talk, and watch football... good times)
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To: Stoooopendous
Agree.. I thought the US goalkeeping was TERRRIBLE.

What Olympics were you watching? The US allowed only 13 goals during the five games of the preliminary round compared to Sweden's 12 and Russia's 11. It was our inability to score, which was the problem.

58 posted on 02/23/2006 7:34:10 AM PST by kabar
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To: ken5050
"44 year old Chris Chelios may have been the best player on the team.."

Chelios surprised me too.

But Brian Leetch should have been out there.

59 posted on 02/23/2006 7:34:23 AM PST by F16Fighter (Government is not reason [but]..a dangerous servant and a fearful master.~ George Washington)
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To: Alberta's Child

Yep. Sorry 1998.


60 posted on 02/23/2006 7:34:55 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (The Democrat Party is engulfed in a Culture of Hypocrisy)
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