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To: webstersII
Funny how Magic Johnson and some other high-profile types are still healthy without taking any of that stuff.

False.

See, you were just complaining about creationists being called liars. And I replied that the problem is, people post falsehoods without any apparent attempt to check on their truth. And you just illustrated what I said beautifully. Magic Johnson indeed takes a cocktail of anti-HIV drugs.

40 posted on 02/23/2006 8:22:21 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

Read your link again.

NO WHERE does Magic give claim to the drug. In Fact he does the opposite and so does his wife who said, the doctors THINK it's the medicine. See Who they give the credit to. They have no idea if he really took the medicine. Johnson gives NO credit to the medicine.

Do you want to correct your post that reads...See, you were just complaining about creationists being called liars. And I replied that the problem is, people post falsehoods without any apparent attempt to check on their truth.


43 posted on 02/23/2006 9:04:57 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Right Wing Professor

"See, you were just complaining about creationists being called liars. And I replied that the problem is, people post falsehoods without any apparent attempt to check on their truth. And you just illustrated what I said beautifully."

Uhm, you are the one who is playing fast and loose with the facts. You have just illustrated what I said.

1) Magic Johnson has never had any sypmtoms of ARC (AIDS-related complex)

2) He never had any symptoms of ARC even BEFORE he started taking the drugs.

3) Yes, he has had the markers for HIV infection but as you well know that's not the same thing as ARC (the HIV virus infected him with flu-like symptoms for awhile).

4) The whole point of Mullis, Duesberg, et. al. is to point out that people in other parts of the world have symptoms of ARC without being HIV+. They have never said that HIV does not exist.

5) Some of the researchers were widely published and received research grants prior to calling into doubt the HIV causes AIDS theory. Once they expressed their doubts they have not been able to get published, even when they have had valid critiques. After all, if scientists were so open to critical thought why is someone considered a "good" scientist all the way up until they attempt to publish something that doesn't agree with the status quo, and then afterward they are considered "nutcases" unless they repent and express the error of their ways (just like Galileo)?

6) Many of the evos on FR claim that there is much open debate in the scientific community. The way certain researchers have been treated when they dare to question the current dogma argues against this. There are many examples in history of dogma overcoming scientific reasoning, and not just persecution by religious zealots but by other scientists. Do you assert that this is no longer the case? It's more likely that the same influences that drove the adherence to dogma in the halls of academia in the past is still in operation today.

7) Closed-mindedness is not the exclusive right of religious zealots but often of scientists, too.


47 posted on 02/23/2006 9:31:53 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Right Wing Professor

Regarding your post #40...first, see my post #106...I am not aware of Magic Johnsons medical regime, but on this TV special that I note in my post, it seems to me, that they do mention that these folks were not taking any kind of cocktail....I could be wrong or remember this in error, and really dont know how to check this out....

This may seem like a stupid question, but could this be similar to an experience I had...when I began working in nursing homes, I had to be given a TB test...I came up positive...but I never had TB...before I could get my job, I had to have my lungs X-Rayed by a doctor, to make sure that I had no active TB, which, thankfully I did not...

The doctor explained, that this positive TB test that I had experienced, showed that I was exposed to TB, my immune system took care of it, I never got active TB, but a TB tests shows that I have antibodies for TB in my blood...

Another example, when my younger boy got chicken pox, just about every single kid in his class also got chicken pox...they were all exposed to chicken pox, and got the disease...however, one little boy, who lived just a few doors down from us, never did sick...and his mom said he never had had chicken pox previously...for some reason, he was immune to chicken pox...but I would bet, that if he had a blood test, he would show antibodies to chicken pox...

So is it not just possible, that even with HIV, some people may be exposed, and for whatever reason, they just form antibodies, yet never have the full blown disease...

Thanks for an answer in advance...


107 posted on 02/23/2006 6:43:01 PM PST by andysandmikesmom
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