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To: Right Wing Professor

"See, you were just complaining about creationists being called liars. And I replied that the problem is, people post falsehoods without any apparent attempt to check on their truth. And you just illustrated what I said beautifully."

Uhm, you are the one who is playing fast and loose with the facts. You have just illustrated what I said.

1) Magic Johnson has never had any sypmtoms of ARC (AIDS-related complex)

2) He never had any symptoms of ARC even BEFORE he started taking the drugs.

3) Yes, he has had the markers for HIV infection but as you well know that's not the same thing as ARC (the HIV virus infected him with flu-like symptoms for awhile).

4) The whole point of Mullis, Duesberg, et. al. is to point out that people in other parts of the world have symptoms of ARC without being HIV+. They have never said that HIV does not exist.

5) Some of the researchers were widely published and received research grants prior to calling into doubt the HIV causes AIDS theory. Once they expressed their doubts they have not been able to get published, even when they have had valid critiques. After all, if scientists were so open to critical thought why is someone considered a "good" scientist all the way up until they attempt to publish something that doesn't agree with the status quo, and then afterward they are considered "nutcases" unless they repent and express the error of their ways (just like Galileo)?

6) Many of the evos on FR claim that there is much open debate in the scientific community. The way certain researchers have been treated when they dare to question the current dogma argues against this. There are many examples in history of dogma overcoming scientific reasoning, and not just persecution by religious zealots but by other scientists. Do you assert that this is no longer the case? It's more likely that the same influences that drove the adherence to dogma in the halls of academia in the past is still in operation today.

7) Closed-mindedness is not the exclusive right of religious zealots but often of scientists, too.


47 posted on 02/23/2006 9:31:53 AM PST by webstersII
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To: webstersII
It appears you are an AIDS kook as well as a creation kook. Sorry, I only argue with one category of kooks here on FR. If I had to waste my time with the AIDS kooks, the zero-point energy kooks, the toxins-in-our-diet kooks, the alien abduction kooks, and all the others, I'd never get anything done. I've often observed, of course, that people seldom have just one kooky belief, so the conversation often wanders along these other dimensions of weirdness, but I have to put a stop to it somewhere. It stops here.
50 posted on 02/23/2006 10:00:29 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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