[driveserve]

"If you say that ID is based on faith however, then don't push it in schools as a valid scientific theory."

I agree with you that folks pushing ID should not get offended when challenged. That's the game and they need to play it. I also agree that ID should not be dressed up as scientific theory.

And neither should evolution.

It is as non-scientific as creationism. That both require a leap-of-faith (not to mention a leap in logic) proves that neither rise to the level of science. Creationism and creationist need to clearly state that it is a faith in God that drives the theories. Evolution and evolutionists need to clearly state that it is the faith that God does not exist, that drives theirs.

[RunningWolf]

It is as non-scientific as creationism. That both require a leap-of-faith (not to mention a leap in logic) proves that neither rise to the level of science. Creationism and creationist need to clearly state that it is a faith in God that drives the theories. Evolution and evolutionists need to clearly state that it is the faith that God does not exist, that drives theirs

See that is just it, except I disagree with your use of the term 'rise to science'

That is where my sharing departs from yours. See 'science' is not necessarily reality or truth either. Agree? I predict not.

Wolf

[trashcanbred]

It is as non-scientific as creationism. That both require a leap-of-faith (not to mention a leap in logic) proves that neither rise to the level of science.

Could you be more specific as to exactly what parts of Evolution you believe takes leaps of faith? Do you believe a species never changes to form other species? Or is it the theory of punctuated equilibrium vs. gradualism?

Evolution and evolutionists need to clearly state that it is the faith that God does not exist, that drives theirs.

HUH??? If this were true why would the Vatican numerous times state that current evolutionary theory is in line with the teachings of the Church? Why would the Vatican observatory be holding symposiums on Evolution if the theory is driven by Atheists? No offense but I think the Pope and the Vatican are much more in tune to what "atheist theory" is than you are.