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To: stainlessbanner

War aims change as the prospects for winning or losing change.

The Confederacy was formed to preserve slavery. There wouldn't have been a war if there were no slaves.

By 1864 it was clear to Confederate leaders that they were going to lose the war. Losing meant they would face charges of treason and insurrection--potentially hanging offenses. It is not surprising that these leaders would grasp at any option for evading that fate.

It is also not surprising that few slaves would sign on. By 1864 most slaves could see that the Confederacy was losing. Why would they enlist in a losing cause for a government that had previously enslaved them.

Even losing the war, the South did its best to subjugate Blacks as soon as the reins of power passed back into white supremacist hands after the end of the Reconstruction period.

I don't think this book "proves" the war wasn't over slavery.


29 posted on 02/21/2006 8:17:26 AM PST by John Semmens
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To: John Semmens

"Even losing the war, the South did its best to subjugate Blacks as soon as the reins of power passed back into white supremacist hands after the end of the Reconstruction period."

Blacks did not exactly have it easy in the North either, however. Let us not forget that fact.


33 posted on 02/21/2006 8:18:43 AM PST by SC33
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To: John Semmens

Booth, Stanton, Johnson and Grant; the men who changed the aims and outcomes of the war from those envisioned by Lincoln.

How different history might have been.


50 posted on 02/21/2006 8:25:08 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: John Semmens
To some, it apparently is purely a coincidence that every state of the Confederacy was a slaveholding state. But slavery had nothing to do with the war....

That obviously doesn't mean that every southernor who fought was motivated by a personal desire to retain slavery. But if the Confederacy had fred its slaves at the same time it declared itself a separate country, there might not even have been a war. And certainly, the South would have gotten international recognition early on absent slavery.

53 posted on 02/21/2006 8:26:18 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: John Semmens

Perhaps you should study a little of history. Are you aware that in 1832 the federal government sent warships into Charleston harbor and that it had nothing to do with slavery. It had to do with "nullification" theory. The South was extremely upset and ready to fight over the preferential tariffs. Had a compromise not been reached that year, the war of northern agression would have been fought 30 year earlier than it was.

With that said, slavery was an important component of the war. To deny that is to deny the writings of the men who fought the war. However, I think of it as the spark that set off the powder keg. The civil war was going to be fought, slavery was the spark that set it off. In 1832, the spark was tariffs, but the federal government managed a compromise to put out the fire before it exploded. In 1861, they couldn't put out the spark.


83 posted on 02/21/2006 8:39:09 AM PST by cid89
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To: John Semmens
"The Confederacy was formed to preserve slavery. There wouldn't have been a war if there were no slaves."

Only one minor correction: The Confederacy was formed to preserve and 'extend' slavery. The Southern states wanted slavery to be acceptable practice in the new territories. The North was against this in general.

The problem for the South, the mostly agrarian section of the country, was that they were trying to defend and extend a dying institution at the beginning of the Industrial Age, and went to war with that portion of the country that was perfectly suited to embrace industrialization. Too much bombast when cooler heads should have prevaled.

106 posted on 02/21/2006 8:59:43 AM PST by bcsco ("He who is wedded to the spirit of the age is soon a widower" - Anonymous)
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To: John Semmens
re :War aims change as the prospects for winning or losing change.

That is true of every armed conflict that has ever been and will be.

231 posted on 02/22/2006 3:47:04 AM PST by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: John Semmens
That assumption you have made is not the truth...sure uncle Tom's Cabin started the movement to free slaves...but it was the FACT that outraged the South the Greatest was not the loss of Slavery...it was not being able to sell our Cotton to Europe without going through the Carpet Baggers and Scalawags up North that controlled the commodities exchanges in Chicago and New damn York...

All the textile mills up north and above the Mason Dixon line...all the old families of England controlled the price payed to the Plantations and to the small share plots manned by Whites and Freed Slaves...

France was a good Friend of the South because that wanted to buy cotton direct from the Plantations and Co-Ops

So when the economic apple cart of the New York Textile Mills and Garment Industry balked, they were shrewed enough, just as todays Democrats to lie about their real intentions and use Slavery and Liberals sensitivities to the Slavery issue to push the South to its economic limit with these low prices and and at times stolen Cargo on the Docks of New York...

Robert E Lee, did not give up his citizenship in America to fight to preserve slavery...he fought out of honor for his brothers of the South, and his Strong belief in States Rights... I would say better than 90% of Southerners never owned slaves, and for you out there who are not aware... Many Blacks owned slaves to work their own farms!

You may also remember the horrible conditions that Northern Sweat Shops and Lung and health concerns were caused by the Yankee Capitalist, using there on slave labor in the form of child labor and indentured servitude, that because of debts accrued at the company stores, never released the worker from His or Her Debt!!!
253 posted on 02/22/2006 8:34:19 AM PST by Turborules
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