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Supreme Court OKs Hallucinogenic Tea
Associated Press ^ | February 21, 2006 | Gina Holland

Posted on 02/21/2006 7:42:06 AM PST by AntiGuv

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled unanimously Tuesday that a small congregation in New Mexico may use hallucinogenic tea as part of a four-hour ritual intended to connect with God.

Justices, in their first religious freedom decision under Chief Justice John Roberts, moved decisively to keep the government out of a church's religious practice. Federal drug agents should have been barred from confiscating the hoasca tea of the Brazil-based church, Roberts wrote in the decision.

The tea, which contains an illegal drug known as DMT, is considered sacred to members of O Centro Espirita Beneficiente Uniao do Vegetal, which has a blend of Christian beliefs and South American traditions. Members believe they can understand God only by drinking the tea, which is consumed twice a month at four-hour ceremonies.

New Justice Samuel Alito did not take part in the case, which was argued last fall before Justice Sandra Day O'Connor before her retirement. Alito was on the bench for the first time on Tuesday.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: billofrights; cannibis; constitutionlist; dea; dmt; donutwatch; dope; dopefiends; doublestandard; drugs; firstamendment; freedomofreligion; govwatch; hallucinogenictea; hallucinogens; hoasca; hoascatea; opium; psychedelics; psychotropicdrugs; psyechedelictea; religion; religiousexpression; religiousfreedom; ruling; scotus; supremecourt; wod; wodlist
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To: Huck

Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

Well, there's one thing that I do know,
That's my favorite Goddess, Juno,
'Cause she's awfully good at...you know,
and that's good enough for me.

Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

We went off to worship Venus.
And by gosh you should have seen us!
Now the clinic has to screen us.
and that's good enough for me.

Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

We will pray to Aphrodite
Even tho' she's rather flighty
And they say she wears no nightie,
and that's good enough for me.

Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

We will pray with those Egyptians
Build our pyramids to put our crypts in
Cover subways with inscriptions,
and that's good enough for me.

Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

Oh, Old Odin we will follow
And in fighting we will wallow
"Til we wind up in Valhallaaaa,
and that's good enough for me.

We will sing a verse for Loki,
He's the old Norse god of Chaos,
Which is why this verse don't
rhyme or scan or nothin'
But it's good enough for me...

We'll sing a verse for Thor,
In bed, he's not a bore,
That hammer isn't all he's famous for,
So he's good enough for me.

Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

Let me follow dear old Buddha
For there is nobody cuter
He comes in plastic, wood or pewter,
and that's good enough for me.

Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

We will pray with Zarathrustra
Pray just like we usta
I'm a Zarathrustra boosta,
and that's good enough for me.

Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

Hare Krishna gets a laugh on
When he sees me dressed in Saffron
With my hair that's only half-on,
and that's good enough for me.

Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

I'll rise early in the morning
When the sun gives me a warning
That Mithras again is dawning,...
and that's good enough for me.

Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
Give me that old time religion,
And it's good enough for me.

Oh my neighbor is a nudist,
And my roommate is Buddhist,
Me, I'm a tad more prudish,
But that's good enough for me.


141 posted on 02/21/2006 4:14:00 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: SupplySider

From what Ive heard it is indeed a sacrement, however its use isnt crucial to being a good follower.


142 posted on 02/21/2006 5:00:58 PM PST by boulderite20
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To: AntiGuv

BFLR


143 posted on 02/21/2006 5:47:11 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: LibertarianInExile

lol....thanks.


144 posted on 02/21/2006 5:58:05 PM PST by Huck (Roe/Kelo: You have a right to privacy IN your bedroom; you just don't have a right TO your bedroom.)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
So if my "church" decided to make pot "sacred" and smoke it at every "church gathering" that's OKAY??? Ridiculous. Does this set a precident for claiming the right to illegal drug use as part of a religious ritual?

No. But if your church services have involved pot smoking for the last hundred years or longer, then it would probably be constitutionally protected.

145 posted on 02/21/2006 6:01:01 PM PST by NeoCaveman (The shark has been jumped, there is no turning back)
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To: steve-b
Whoa, dude... I can see emanations and penumbras....

I see the clear language "respecting free exercise of religion" (paraphrased)

146 posted on 02/21/2006 6:02:14 PM PST by NeoCaveman (The shark has been jumped, there is no turning back)
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To: apackof2
I forget, but at what age are Catholic children allowed communion?

Second grade, maybe third grade.

147 posted on 02/21/2006 6:03:12 PM PST by NeoCaveman (The shark has been jumped, there is no turning back)
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To: AntiGuv; Torie; Senator Bedfellow
Sounds like Roberts takes the "free exercise" clause pretty seriously. If Alito does as well, and from his testimony he does, we may end up seeing the Roberts court rescue the religion clauses form the uninterpretable file.
148 posted on 02/21/2006 6:05:07 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Huck

One of my favorite verses:

If you pray to Old Uranus
Then your crime is truly heinous
You can stick it in your...songbook
That's good enough for me.

Another:

We will all bow down to Venus,
As we dance upon Mt. Zenos,
We will worship with our...voices,
That's good enough for me.

Good ol' filk songs, I tell ya.


149 posted on 02/21/2006 6:06:54 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: jwalsh07

Ya, maybe. On its face, I don't agree with the decision at all however.


150 posted on 02/21/2006 6:07:09 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

LOL, I just told my brother you wouldn't. Gotta run. I'll check back later. A good opportunity for you to make more "friends" here. :-}


151 posted on 02/21/2006 6:08:47 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

I note that the decision was unanimous however, so I am the odd man out on this one. :)


152 posted on 02/21/2006 6:09:15 PM PST by Torie
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To: dubyaismypresident

True; the Court ruled correctly on this one. The title was just too good a straight line to resist.


153 posted on 02/21/2006 6:42:05 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: LibertarianInExile
The one I remember is:

Oh, we used to worship Venus
How I wish you could have seen us
Now the clinic has to screen us
But that's good enough for me

154 posted on 02/21/2006 6:43:37 PM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Torie; jwalsh07
Ya, maybe. On its face, I don't agree with the decision at all however.

Why not? I'm just curious, because I actually don't have an opinion on this, since I didn't follow the case closely and haven't yet read the briefs or the ruling. In fact, I had just taken it as given that the majority would go the other way and am quite surprised at how it turned out, and unanimous at that.

To be sure, my reading of the Constitution fails to identify any Federal power to prohibit drugs in the first place, but my superficial evaluation of the case took that unenumerated power as a given based on precedent.

155 posted on 02/21/2006 6:53:15 PM PST by AntiGuv
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To: steve-b

I did chuckle at your comment.

Next there will be trails from the penembras :^)


156 posted on 02/21/2006 6:56:26 PM PST by NeoCaveman (The shark has been jumped, there is no turning back)
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To: Torie

"I note that the decision was unanimous however, so I am the odd man out on this one. :)"

Don't forget this is just on the issue of the preliminary injunction. I don't know that I agree with the Court on that issue of the pro-ban party prevailing in court, either, though you and I probably disagree on the issue of whether the federal government can ban religious drug use. I don't think there is much in the way of federal precedent that backs up any argument that the drug users might eventually win. This is about a 180 on what the prior courts seemed to think, so it is a strong signal, but still, what will this do to the notion of preliminary injunctions in cases like these?


157 posted on 02/21/2006 7:17:35 PM PST by LibertarianInExile (Freedom isn't free--no, there's a hefty f'in fee--and if you don't throw in your buck-o-5, who will?)
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To: MeanWestTexan

"legitimate and historical religious practice."

It would be hard to prove a practice that had to go underground for generations to survive an unconstitutional and unholy war against citizens of this great nation.


"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God?" --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia, 1782.

GOD MADE HERB
GOD SAW THAT IT WAS GOOD
GOD GAVE IT TO MAN

Genesis 1:11
Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so.

Genesis 1:12
And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:29
And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.


158 posted on 02/21/2006 7:46:57 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: apackof2

"if your "faith" depends on drugs then maybe you need to reconsider where you are placing your "faith"

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone;


Ro 14:22 Hast thou faith? Have it to thyself before God. Blessed is he that condemneth not himself in that which he alloweth


Ro 14:2-3
For one believeth that he may eat all things: but he that is weak, let him eat herbs.
Let not him that eateth, despise him that eateth not: and he that eateth not, let him not judge him that eateth. For God hath taken him to him.


159 posted on 02/21/2006 8:00:00 PM PST by PaxMacian
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To: PaxMacian

St. Paul also explicitly told strong Christians to not taunt or bother those "whose faith is weak" (and depends on things like certain ceremonies, certain foods, or, in the case before Paul at the time circumcision and keeping kosher).


160 posted on 02/22/2006 7:17:58 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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