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To: Swordmaker

I'll have to respond to the rest later, but just for a few bites:

>>you feel it is necessary to criticize a system you admittedly know very little about<<

First of all, I know plenty about it. Maybe not as much as you, but I've used it through the interface and through the terminal program after spending a great deal of time setting up my BSD systems. I haven't done a great deal with things like Applescript, but I've ran apps like Photoshop and music programs on there. Second, the only thing critical I said about OSX computers was that they were too expensive and too slow. That was in response to YOUR comment, not an original comment I made on this thread. You are being dishonest about what is being said if you are asserting I'm the one on here causing trouble. I never made an original statement, only one in response.

>>In this thread you essentially called ALL Mac users liars.<<

This is a lie. What was specifically stated was "mac users lying..." It was in response to the statement, "I just find it amusing that PC users are drawn to Mac threads -- to the extent that their posts frequently outnumber those of the Mac folks. Sort of like the morbid folks who watch NASCAR -- hoping for a wreck...." I was correcting the statement, and nowhere did I assert ALL mac users were liars. I know several (probably 6 or 7) mac users that agree with me almost 100% on these issues, but for one reason or another, use that platform for their work. Mostly musicians that work with Mac only studios extensively.

Why are you arguing like a liberal by making things up about what I said?

>>They have not experienced the problems. PERIOD. <<

Just like Windows users like me don't have the malware issues that Mac users always assert we do. You can't have it both ways.

Besides, my point was that there is no paradise in computing. For example, read these:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=374520&tstart=0

and this:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=368423&tstart=0

and this:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=372858&tstart=15

It took me 2 minutes to find problems I've NEVER had in extensive use of multiple operating systems since 1983. Don't feed me the BS that Mac users don't have any problems and their computers work perfectly. They don't. They may not have the EXACT issues Windows has, but they have their own issues. That, along with the fact that it is not automatic that Windows user suffer from malware issues (I don't), was my only point.

I was using kernel panic as an example. You said here you've had 5 in the past few years on 10 or more computers. Since starting to use Windows NT in 1995 (2000 and XP to follow with a dizzying array of hardware configurations) in many organizations (including my own) and home (many, many more than 10 computers) I don't think I've had more than 6-8 actual crashes where I was forced to reboot the system. Maybe right at that number, and I have rebooted a number of times because I felt it would help things out. Now, what does that all mean? I'm not sure, but it doesn't support the notion that the Mac product is inherently superior.

I'll have to finish this later.


54 posted on 02/22/2006 1:12:44 PM PST by 1L
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To: 1L
First example you provide:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=374520&tstart=0

The problem as stated is: "I am trying to load wireless router and the software requires you to double click to open the setup ap. My computer keeps telling me that the application cannot be found. HELP! " but then he tells us he is using OS 9.2... he's trying to run a OSX application with OS9... won't work.

Operator error. Not OSX.

Second issue:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=368423&tstart=0

Reported problem: "For a while, now (at least from 10.4.3), my G4 does not recognize any Firewire device connected to either port (it has two). The system profiler reports nothing in the Firewire Bus. I reset-nvram, reset-all to no avail. All other functions are working fine. What happened? "

This is a hardware problem. The computer with the problem is a 400Mhz G4 from 1999... You mean to tell me that you have never had a port fail on a Windows computer?

State problem: "All of a sudden, today, my computer is recognizing all single clicks as double clicks. If I place a cursor in a word, it automatically highlights the whole word. If I try to collapse a file, it acts like I've double clicked it to remain open. It is doing this in ALL programs with mouse as well as the track pad. I've restarted and checked my preferences. This is a nightmare... HELP "

Another hardware problem. So?

These are THREE Mac users out of 25,000,000... do you expect anything less?

Macs are not perfect... and there cerrtainly can be hardware failures. This proves nothing, 1L.

It took me 2 minutes to find problems I've NEVER had in extensive use of multiple operating systems since 1983. Don't feed me the BS that Mac users don't have any problems and their computers work perfectly.

The vast majority of Mac users DO NOT have problems and their computers work perfectly... a very small minority do have problems. Have my clients had problems? Yes. One of my clients had a lamp-stand iMac operate continually much slower than the seven others on his network. It still worked but it could take two or three seconds to update the database screen while the others were almost instantaneous. Turned out to be a bad memory stick. Apple took care of it under waranty. That client has been running Macs for five years... and that is the extent of the problems. Oh, and just this week their xServer quit spontaneously several times... problem? The UPS on the server went bad. Replaced it and the problem went away.

Why are you arguing like a liberal by making things up about what I said?

I quoted you before commenting on what you said.

Just like Windows users like me don't have the malware issues that Mac users always assert we do. You can't have it both ways. ... I don't think I've had more than 6-8 actual crashes where I was forced to reboot the system.

Sorry to say, yours is not the typical experience of Windows users... And the number of calls I've had from Windows users asking for my expertise in resurrecting their computers from malware problems says differently. I will say that since the release of Service Pack 2 the number of those calls has dropped dramatically. But I still get calls where the user has done something stupid, even on a well protected computer, and gotten their computers infected... usually the user was the manager or owner of the firm; the employees are locked out of doing the really stupid things.

64 posted on 02/23/2006 9:25:10 AM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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